Quote Originally Posted by tugger
"At FTR we play for EV not for an image. You may think playing lagg is fun, but let me correct you right there. Winning money is fun. "

Both is fun to me. I am winning money. $100 in one week at 1/2nl. LAG is not the route to bankruptcy.

"you want to isolate with something that will more frequently flop top pair to take the 2nl fish to value town like KT or something. "

I'm sorry, are you suggesting I play KT instead of T6? Fuck that, I'm much more likely to be dominated with KT. It's insta-muck every time that trash is. At 2nl, top pair isn't all that, believe me. I make most of my money off people who can't let go of top pair. I don't play for top pair, it wins small pots and loses big ones. I want 2pr better, that's where the money is. I can still get value from the fish with hands like T6 against drawing hands by firing all three streets; so long as they miss, they fold the river, and, naturally, they miss more often than they hit. So I make money by value betting with pair/air against drawing fish, and hitting flops hard like set, 2pr, flush draw/pair etc

"you have the initiative, so what, you get to bet your air weak pair or draws into mutliple opponents? That's not profitable. "

No, but it's profitable heads up. If I'm not heads up, then I guess I have to see what the flop says, won't I?

And image is everything. It's not about looking cool or anything, it's about getting paid when I really do have a hand. People make notes, and I want their notes on me to say I'm capable of three-barrell bluffs with air, and piling on the pressure with scare cards. I tend to win bigger pots when I have a flush, and I win a lot of hands when I don't have the flush, enough hands to pay for the times I get called, with change to spare. Profit.


"You think its likely villian has a flush draw, but you're planning to bluff when the flush hits?"

Yeah. Except I don't think it's likely he has flush draw, I think it's in his range. I think it's likely he has Ax or pocket pair, that's what I decided before I made the turn call. I decided he was folding to a river raise if it's a spade. In the end I didn't need him to fold to win the hand.
1) You sound really defensive. And for some reason while reading your response I could just sense your hatred through the screen. Whether I'm wrong or right, just keep in mind it's a discussion. We are here to find the right advice from the masses of wrong.

2) The whole TAGG/LAGG descriptions of players is bullshit imo. It tells you practically nothing about a villain's tendencies, or even your tendencies. It doesn't say whether he 3bets often, or calls a wide range preflop. Or if he is prone to c/raising flops, or bet/3betting. It's just a general way to describe someone, and as we know, general statements and poker 'generally' don't mix.

You attempt to make +EV decisions. Why does bluff raising a board when it's +EV have merit in classifying a player as LAGG/TAGG?

3) LOL @ drooling at isolating with T6s but hating the idea of isolating with KT. That's just beyond retarded. You say you are more likely to be dominated with KT, than with T6? Yeah, because the sole bulk of retard 2nlers limp/calling range is Kx hands. Use pokerstove just a little bit, and you will see that KT has a fair bit better equity against villain's likely range than T6s.

Also, since when does T6s make more pairs, two pairs, trips, straights, and flushes than KTs? I understand your hatred for all that is top pair, but equity is equity, and personally I'm the kinda guy that would rather have more equity than less against a range. Might just be me though.

4) LOL again @ image being everything. Image is no where near everything. Espeically when the player pool you are competing against is (1) retarded (2) huge and unlikely to see you again (3) retarded (4) is there a worse word than retarded?.. Yes, it would be good for a villain to take a note saying "villain 3barreled IP with initiative with overcards and bricked BDFD", but in all likelihood these players aren't taking notes, and at least not good ones.

I'm not going to say they don't see a player and classify him, that's what the TAGG/LAGG words are for (for retarded players ldo). But for them to correctly adjust, and you to correctly counter-adjust to best exploit them, that's a bit of a stretch I think. Especailly, coming from the guy who believes a player is retarded, and thinks that bluffing a flush when his range contains oh so many flush draws is +EV, but raising a straight on the river against a shorty is quote "stupid".

Also, just a fwiw, you didn't make enough on the river to justify your turn call, so the turn call was -EV.