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@ preflop:
First, your bet sizing pre is awful a cognizant button who would limp/raise will be unaffected by your raise as he knows others will limp along.
Second, again your bet sizing limits your opportunity to isolate a single player. The advantage of a hand like T6s is it can very rarely make big hands, but against 2nl villians you dont want something that will rarely make a big hand, you want to isolate with something that will more frequently flop top pair to take the 2nl fish to value town like KT or something.
Third, that you may want to inflate the pot for when you hit with a pp so you are playing for stacks more often when you hit a set, but T6s just won't hit often enough to make this any kind of a reason.
Fourth, don't fall in love with the iso raise c betting line when it is unprofitable ; you have the initiative, so what, you get to bet your air weak pair or draws into mutliple opponents? That's not profitable.

At FTR we play for EV not for an image. You may think playing lagg is fun, but let me correct you right there. Winning money is fun.

@turn/river:

You think its likely villian has a flush draw, but you're planning to bluff when the flush hits? Villian is short, and a ton of worse is calling, especially at 2nl. I really wouldn't be counting bluff outs btw as most people will not even notice a 3rd spade came out. People at 2nl play their hand, and let the other players worry about their own hands.

Originally Posted by tugger

My pre flop raise serves four purposes.

First, it increases the chances of stealing the button,
Second, it isolates, increasing the chances of me taking it down with a c-bet,
Third, builds a pot should I hit the flop hard.
Fourth, I have post flop initiative.

So raising is definitely preferable to calling. Folding is obviously what I should do, but screw that, I want a LAG image.

The turn is where I'm floating. I'm priced in if I'm flush drawing. I'm not drawing on just the 8, I consider a spade to be good for me, because I have something to represent with a raise and push him off his hand.

And of course I don't raise the river. He might have been betting so weak with a flush draw himself, so he might have me beat. If I raise, he folds everything I'm beating and calls everything that's beating me. I have suddenly got showdown value, but I have only got a straight on a flush board. Raising would be stupid, in my opinion.

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10-04-2009 11:45 PM #10
Donkafelts View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries Join Date Aug 2009 Posts 120	@ preflop: First, your bet sizing pre is awful a cognizant button who would limp/raise will be unaffected by your raise as he knows others will limp along. Second, again your bet sizing limits your opportunity to isolate a single player. The advantage of a hand like T6s is it can very rarely make big hands, but against 2nl villians you dont want something that will rarely make a big hand, you want to isolate with something that will more frequently flop top pair to take the 2nl fish to value town like KT or something. Third, that you may want to inflate the pot for when you hit with a pp so you are playing for stacks more often when you hit a set, but T6s just won't hit often enough to make this any kind of a reason. Fourth, don't fall in love with the iso raise c betting line when it is unprofitable ; you have the initiative, so what, you get to bet your air weak pair or draws into mutliple opponents? That's not profitable. At FTR we play for EV not for an image. You may think playing lagg is fun, but let me correct you right there. Winning money is fun. @turn/river: You think its likely villian has a flush draw, but you're planning to bluff when the flush hits? Villian is short, and a ton of worse is calling, especially at 2nl. I really wouldn't be counting bluff outs btw as most people will not even notice a 3rd spade came out. People at 2nl play their hand, and let the other players worry about their own hands. Originally Posted by tugger My pre flop raise serves four purposes. First, it increases the chances of stealing the button, Second, it isolates, increasing the chances of me taking it down with a c-bet, Third, builds a pot should I hit the flop hard. Fourth, I have post flop initiative. So raising is definitely preferable to calling. Folding is obviously what I should do, but screw that, I want a LAG image. The turn is where I'm floating. I'm priced in if I'm flush drawing. I'm not drawing on just the 8, I consider a spade to be good for me, because I have something to represent with a raise and push him off his hand. And of course I don't raise the river. He might have been betting so weak with a flush draw himself, so he might have me beat. If I raise, he folds everything I'm beating and calls everything that's beating me. I have suddenly got showdown value, but I have only got a straight on a flush board. Raising would be stupid, in my opinion.