Flat, Fold or 3b ed. 2

I like raising slightly larger here to make the flop super easy to play. The fish aren't going to change their preflop calling range much based on our sizing, so we are getting more +EV when they call us with their weak range. Assuming UTG folds and at least one of the fish call, we have a SPR of at most .5, which means we just cbet all-in on almost every board. Even if we miss, the small SPR means that our bluff only has to work a small percentage of the time to be profitable.

Originally Posted by NightGizmo

I like raising slightly larger here to make the flop super easy to play. The fish aren't going to change their preflop calling range much based on our sizing, so we are getting more +EV when they call us with their weak range. Assuming UTG folds and at least one of the fish call, we have a SPR of at most .5, which means we just cbet all-in on almost every board. Even if we miss, the small SPR means that our bluff only has to work a small percentage of the time to be profitable.

i mean, regardless of our sizing, we're playing go-and-go with the fish. .44 would make the pot at least 1.14 with at most effective stacks of 0.96.

The reason I'd think going lower would be better is because we're 3b/folding to UTG, so we wanna give ourselves a better price on the squeeze.

Originally Posted by surviva316

i mean, regardless of our sizing, we're playing go-and-go with the fish. .44 would make the pot at least 1.14 with at most effective stacks of 0.96.

The reason I'd think going lower would be better is because we're 3b/folding to UTG, so we wanna give ourselves a better price on the squeeze.

True, but the main reason we're 3betting is to get value from the fish, not to bluff the UTG out. The EV we get from the fish when they call is way larger than the EV from bluff raising the UTG (that part may actually be negative, depending on how often he calls or 4bets). So I'd rather get the fish' money in the pot preflop. Makes our preflop 3bet more profitable (against the fish, anyway) and makes our flop cbet bluffs more profitable.