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    Default A few hands that I am unsure about.

    Not playing terribly well today. I think I have been unlucky in a few spots and that was affecting my game so I have stopped playing and started thinking about the hands that got me into trouble. How do you think I played these hands? Any pointers?


    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP3 ($2)
    CO ($2.01)
    Button ($2.15)
    SB ($0.81)
    BB ($0.45)
    UTG ($0.91)
    UTG+1 ($2.02)
    Hero (MP1) ($1.37)
    MP2 ($1.99)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, K
    UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.06, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.06, CO calls $0.06, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.04

    Flop: ($0.32) 7, K, 9 (5 players)
    SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.20, MP3 calls $0.20, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.20

    Turn: ($0.92) 3 (3 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets $1.74 (All-In), UTG calls $0.65 (All-In), Hero folds

    River: ($2.22) 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Total pot: $2.22 | Rake: $0.14

    Weird hand. Only have 20 hands on opponents so no reads. Did I play it all right? Should I have been playing this at all from this position?



    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP3 ($2.05)
    CO ($2.55)
    Button ($2)
    SB ($1.03)
    BB ($0.70)
    Hero (UTG) ($1.06)
    UTG+1 ($1.17)
    MP1 ($3.16)
    MP2 ($2.83)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K
    Hero bets $0.06, UTG+1 calls $0.06, MP1 calls $0.06, 6 folds

    Flop: ($0.21) 5, 7, 10 (3 players)
    Hero bets $0.18, UTG+1 calls $0.18, 1 fold

    Turn: ($0.57) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.82 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $0.82

    River: ($2.21) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $2.21 | Rake: $0.14

    How well/badly did I play this? Villain has VPIP 16 and PFR 7 over 120 hands. Opponent had 55 so I was beat from the flop. I think the turn shove was a bad idea. Anything I could have done to save myself some $$$$$$$$$?


    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP2 ($1.43)
    MP3 ($1.81)
    Hero (CO) ($1.37)
    Button ($0.58)
    SB ($2.79)
    BB ($2.11)
    UTG ($1.42)
    UTG+1 ($0.58)
    MP1 ($1.32)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K
    1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.04, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.14, 4 folds, MP3 calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.35) Q, J, J (2 players)
    MP3 checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($0.35) K (2 players)
    MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.28, MP3 calls $0.28

    River: ($0.91) A (2 players)
    MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.38, MP3 calls $0.38

    Total pot: $1.67 | Rake: $0.11

    Villain had VPIP 50 and PFR 14 but only played with him for 28 hands. I think maybe I played this like an idiot and should have dropped it on the flop but the guy was very passive throughout the hand and was a bit of a calling station so I felt as though I was ahead. He had QJo.

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB ($2.81)
    Hero (BB) ($1.14)
    UTG ($2)
    UTG+1 ($0.77)
    MP1 ($2.09)
    MP2 ($1.15)
    CO ($0.48)
    Button ($1.25)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, J
    6 folds, SB bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.04

    Flop: ($0.12) 6, Q, J (2 players)
    SB bets $0.12, Hero raises to $0.36, SB raises to $2.75 (All-In), Hero folds

    Total pot: $0.84 | Rake: $0.05


    Villain is the same as in the last hand (AK). This hand is a bit like the first one. Should I have been playing this in the first place?


    Thanks.
    Last edited by frjd2; 04-12-2011 at 11:01 AM.
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by frjd2 View Post
    Hero (MP1) ($1.37)
    Hero (UTG) ($1.06)
    Hero (CO) ($1.37)
    Firstly , you should be buying in for the full amount .
    Next , you need to start thinking about what hands your opponents have , that is , what range of hands.
    next , you need reads / statistics on your opponents.

    Hand 1)

    Utg limps in , what kinda range of hands does this villian limp in with ?

    Your preflop raise is tiny , meaning people acting after you can get in cheaply.

    You folded to the turn raise , nice fold.


    Hand 2)

    Too tiny a preflop raise .
    Do you have any statistics or reads on this villian ?
    reads are very helpful here.
    Last edited by celtic123; 04-12-2011 at 01:47 PM.
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    I agree with Celtic. You should by in full, meaning 100bb.

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ge-177508.html

    In the future you may want to consider leaving out the results and only posting the hand up to the point of the decision that you had to make. Posting results tends to skew the responses that you get.

    Hand 1:
    PF - if you're going to raise go to ~$0.10 to try to iso the limper but I would limp along because there are several players left to act behind us. We've got a hand that has the potential to play really well against several players postflop, but could also get busted if the flop totally misses us.
    Good fold on the turn.

    Hand 2
    PF raise to ~$0.08 - $0.10.
    Flop bet is ok.
    Turn is sick. Why shove when he has told you with his two calls that he likes his hand? A bet of about 1/2 pot would accomplish the same thing and still allow you to get way from it if he comes over the top.

    Hand 3
    AKo isn't an automatic 3bet, especially with a raise and a call in front of you.
    OTT and river I would have checked behind to try to get to showdown cheaply. Your draw might not come in and he might have already hit. If he's willing to check it down I'll play along, especially with this board.

    Hand 4
    Fold pre. Suited one gappers are ok to play IP behind several limpers but I'd fold them to a raise vs. one villain.
    Last edited by Shotglass; 04-12-2011 at 01:31 PM.

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    http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...le-186654.html

    OP is going to buyin for $1.40, probably should topoff some of those hands.
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    it's a poor decision to not buy-in full for numerous reasons at microstakes, for one you lose a lot of value from poor players, but also the rake as a % of the pot is fairly ridiculous and you have to have quite a large equity edge/winrate to overcome it. 50bb stacking it makes that pretty difficult.

    As for the hands

    1. shove turn
    2. I'd bet flop, we have a lot of equity when called, as played river seems like a good value bet but I'm not expecting to be good here when called every time, but enough.
    3. 4bb it UTG, turn shove is ok, we're committed regardless
    4. 3bet PF, fail that, just call flop and use our position to our advantage
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    I didn't bother reading through the hands because you didn't bother sharing info about the hands and your thought process. It's hard for anybody to tell you where you went wrong if they have no idea what you were thinking through the hands. Try and explain yourself as you go street by street. Explain what range you put the villain on, why you did what you did and what you expect to come from it etc.

    To just post a hand you may get somebody to tell you what you should have done based on the numbers but really that isn't going to help you much in the long run is it? Wouldn't you like for somebody to explain why you were thinking about a particular spot incorrectly so that next time you can look at it from the correct perspective?
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    Just want to mention to OP that 20 hands on a villain is not nothing for PF stats. It makes a difference whether he is 10/10 over 20 or 60/5 over 20. So give his stats.

    Also KQs is a perfectly good hand to raise, even UTG.

    Alos, as mentioned above, make an effort and go through the process of putting your opponents on street by street ranges.

    Finally, if you insist on playing with $1.40 stacks, at least auto-reload to that amount. But honestly at 2NL you're better off playing full stacks and a low variance style (aka nut camping, set mining and very large amounts of folding).
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