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  1. #1

    Default Extracting value with quads/bet sizing against full house/flush

    Hello

    I am not sure about what range to put my opponent in this spot and how to extract value.

    The converter didn't feel like working when I copied the info directly from the hand history like displayed in the FAQ, so I had to do it manually.

    Villain was about a 25/15 solid player over ~100 hands, that I saw make some good calls and laydowns. I am around 33/24 at this point, and he knows that I don't make any funky bluffs, as I've shown good hands at showdown the past couple of hands. The rest of the table was fairly tight.

    He raised from UTG +1 and I decided to call him from QJo in position on him. Right now I think his range is 22 - AA, QJs, KQs, KQo, Axs+, ATo+
    (I'm not used to analyzing hands like this so I'm sorry for any mistakes in the notation of a range.)


    GAME #2579438081: Holdem .02/.04 - 2011-01-04 15:36:08

    Table Wifab

    Seat 1: Player 1 ($4.81 in chips)
    Seat 3: Villain ($4.09 in chips)
    Seat 5: Hero ($6.39 in chips)
    Seat 6: Player 2 ($4.00 in chips) Dealer
    Seat 8: Player 3 ($8.01 in chips) SB
    Seat 10: Player 4 ($7.43 in chips) BB
    Player 3: SB $0.02
    Player 4: BB $0.04

    *** HOLE CARDS ***

    Dealt to Hero
    Player 1: Fold
    Villain: Raise $0.16
    Hero: Call $0.16
    Player 2: Fold
    Player 3: Fold
    Player 4: Fold

    *** FLOP *** [$0.38]

    Villain: Bet $0.28
    Hero: Call $0.28

    *** TURN *** [$0.94]

    Villain: Bet $0.70
    Hero: Call $0.70

    *** RIVER *** [$2.34]

    Villain: Check
    Hero: ?

    Flop:

    I flop trips and decided to just flat his bet. He would be doing this with any hand in his range besides a Jack or 66, and I don't want to chase him out. I do think he's capable of taking the line of making a bet making it look like a c-bet with a Jack or 66, but not very likely.

    Turn:

    He bets $0.70 into $0.94. I believe he knows that I'm capable of floating the flop on this board, so I still include a flush draw, KQs+ and Axs+, and any pair. I still decide to flat because I believe that I would scare out any hands besides the top of his range. I don't think he would call a raise with a flush draw or mediocre pair. Even if he had taken a 'c-bet' line with 66 they dropped in value against a bigger PP.

    River:

    The river completes a flushdraw and he checks. At this moment I think he knows I have at least a full house, so even if he hits a flush he probably knows it's no good. I think he would've bet his own full houses higher than ~99 or TT as I would've reraised QQ+ preflop and I don't think he would put me on quads after not raising the turn, any lower pair is still in my range however (22-55 being less likely than 77-TT of course.)

    What would be a good play to extract value?, and what could we assume he has here, because that's the main thing that confused me. I know a lot of the assumptions I make above probably don't even make sense to a good player, but I got really confused in this hand.
    Last edited by HappyStick; 01-04-2011 at 02:34 PM.
  2. #2
    It looks like he's put you on the flush draw and you won't get anything more now. Still I'd bet half pot on the river and hope he does something crazy. As far as what villain has, the board is so dry, he could be 2barreling his entire range here.

    You could raise this flop even though it's pretty dry. It might look bluffy to him. The thing is, if you're going to stack somebody, there has to be a raise somewhere postflop, and the flop raise gets the least respect.

    Also, cold-callng QJo, especially with alot of people still to act, is probably not gonna be profitable in the long run.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by couriermike View Post
    It looks like he's put you on the flush draw and you won't get anything more now. Still I'd bet half pot on the river and hope he does something crazy. As far as what villain has, the board is so dry, he could be 2barreling his entire range here.

    You could raise this flop even though it's pretty dry. It might look bluffy to him. The thing is, if you're going to stack somebody, there has to be a raise somewhere postflop, and the flop raise gets the least respect.

    Also, cold-callng QJo, especially with alot of people still to act, is probably not gonna be profitable in the long run.

    That is money....
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by couriermike View Post
    It looks like he's put you on the flush draw and you won't get anything more now. Still I'd bet half pot on the river and hope he does something crazy. As far as what villain has, the board is so dry, he could be 2barreling his entire range here.
    pairs beat flushes here..
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Imthenewfish View Post
    pairs beat flushes here..
    doh!
  6. #6
    Meh, I'd pot it, people have a really hard time letting go of a full house. He's definitely calling QQ+, and possibly a few other pairs. He's folding a flush to most bets, I think we're better off trying to get big value from a boat than pissy value from a flush.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  7. #7
    fold pre.

    $2 otr, expect to get looked up by 77-AA

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