Don't ask this

I waste a lot of people's time with stupid questions, so I am going to try to help everyone out by explaining the type of hands one should almost never post.

This applies to 25NL and below, since that is all i have experience with.

You are dealt KK and you somehow manage to go all in preflop. That is std.

You are 100bb deep in a 3 bet pot (where you 3 bet more than min or called more than a min 3 bet) you have either AA or KK and you end up going all in on a under card board, this is std. EVEN MORE std if there are flush and straight draws.

Don't ask if you should limp reraise AA,KK, because everyone ALWAYS folds. The answer is DON"T DO IT.

You have any type of set on the flop and you end up going all in. 99% of the time this is std. 99% becomes 100% if flop isn't 3 to flush or 789 type board.

As I think more I will try to add more to this list. If anyone body can add more to this feel free to.

!luck

no such thing as a stupid question - none of those are particularly stupid anyway.

what's more stupid is to put things into black and white absolutes, using words like NEVER and ALWAYS, 'cause poker never works like that. (oops, isn't that a bit of a paradoxical statement!)

since when was the beginner's circle a place where a beginner could no longer ask beginner's questions?

a better suggestion would be: if you have a question that you suspect might have been asked before, please do use the search function and see if a previous discussion answers your question. this prevents the same discussions from recurring over and over.

I agree with the OP.

so we encourage auto-pilot decision-making here spoon?

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

I agree with the OP.

+1

I hadz Kkingz cowboys today and folded to an utg open cos the guy was 0/0 over 17 handz.

Originally Posted by eugmac

what's more stupid is to put things into black and white absolutes, using words like NEVER and ALWAYS, 'cause poker never works like that. (oops, isn't that a bit of a paradoxical statement!)

Only once did he use the word 'always'.

Originally Posted by eugmac

a better suggestion would be: if you have a question that you suspect might have been asked before, please do use the search function and see if a previous discussion answers your question. this prevents the same discussions from recurring over and over.

good point

Originally Posted by Carroters

I hadz Kkingz cowboys today and folded to an utg open cos the guy was 0/0 over 17 handz.

lol sample size

Originally Posted by speedcake

lol sample size

I think that was the point ...

Originally Posted by eugmac

so we encourage auto-pilot decision-making here spoon?

Not at all.

My take on the OP's examples is that the hands that should be posted in the BC are the ones that pose genuinely difficult decisions for a moderately thinking beginner. They key here is THINK ABOUT IT FIRST - if you can work it out fairly easily yourself then there is probably little point posting it.

In pretty much every case at the micros, getting your stack in with AA/KK preflop, or with a set on the flop, should NOT be genuinely difficult decisions for anyone. Even a noob with only half a brain should work that out well before posting any hands for discussion. Just read a couple of basic strategy posts/articles.

Search/lurk/read first.

Everyone runs their KK into AA, or gets it in with a set on the flop against some drooler's gutshot only to see him hit on the river. Posting these hands to ask whether you should fold top set to a re-raise on a dry flop (stove it!) or say something ridiculous like "OMG thats happened to me three times in a row, poker is SO rigged!" is not helpful to anyone.

This by the way is why a lot of the more senior guys around here keep telling you to post your stats, reads and thought processes with EVERY hand too - its partly so that they can get a better picture of the situation and therefore give better advice, but also to encourage posters to self-regulate the stuff that shouldn't be posted in the first place.

Originally Posted by eugmac

so we encourage auto-pilot decision-making here spoon?

In all of the spots OP mentioned for microstakes, yes.

100BB stacks. A very shallow-thinking player limps UTG, you're UTG+1 with KK. You raise to 5BB, everybody folds, UTG repops to 18BB. He's a regular, and you have a note from a previous session that he limp-reraises AA, and you haven't ever seen him do this with any other hand.

Is this kind of player rare? Certainly! But if you were so lucky as to run into him, should you adjust so that you're prepared to release KK preflop? If you've logged enough hands with him to consider "limp/rr with only AA" to be a SOLID read, then of course we have to fold don't we?

The key is to know that this is 1% of cases (even probably less online), and that routinely you're not hesitating to get it in PF with KK. I get the point from all of you that you're just trying to hammer home the correct play for some situations that should become routine, and not to let some cooler/bad beat make you believe otherwise.

Semi-grunching.

This thread would make at least a little sense, if it were over in SHNL, or somewhere like that, but this is the Beginner's Circle. If one is irritated by elementary poker questions, this sub-forum is probably the last place one should be.

I don't know what level of skill OP, or others have attained in poker, but I imagine they probably didn't get there through having much more experienced players label their questions as stupid. That's certainly true in my case; for poker, as well as in other fields.

I think it's appropriate to ask that people use the search feature, and it would be useful to have a "Frequently Asked Spots" sticky, but I think the tone here is unhelpful, and in my opinion counter productive.

It's a hard one DJ. On one hand I enjoy how the discussions here seem more intelligent than other forums, on the other I hate that a lot of things go over my head. I agree with you in part. But that's coming from someone who still has a lot of stupid questions left to ask.

The point the OP is trying to make isn't a negative one. He's trying to help clean up/prevent some of the clutter that has been fairly rampant in the BC as of late. I've been here for a little over a year and I see questions like the one OP posted all the time (I've probably asked some too obviously) and it gets kind of old reading them and giving the same answers every time.

I think a 'Standard Spots' sticky or something like that would do a lot to get these kind of posts out of the way like DJP suggested. We could have the sticky just link to HH's where AA/KK went all in PF, or someone got a set all in on a monotone or 3 straight board or whatever.

Originally Posted by dranger7070

The point the OP is trying to make isn't a negative one. He's trying to help clean up/prevent some of the clutter that has been fairly rampant in the BC as of late. I've been here for a little over a year and I see questions like the one OP posted all the time (I've probably asked some too obviously) and it gets kind of old reading them and giving the same answers every time.

I think a 'Standard Spots' sticky or something like that would do a lot to get these kind of posts out of the way like DJP suggested. We could have the sticky just link to HH's where AA/KK went all in PF, or someone got a set all in on a monotone or 3 straight board or whatever.

I appreciate he's (she?) trying to do a good thing, it's that the premise that some questions are stupid, or that they're too elementary to be asked in a beginners forum, is a wrong one, I think.

If the answer to a basic question isn't anywhere else, there's no problem with asking it here. I think the problem is that it's not answered anywhere else. I propose that it's fixed with a "Standard Spots" sticky. Who's in charge of doing that?

Spoon or another mod would be in charge of that.

i take issue with OP's statement about never limping AA preflop when a aggrodonk is at the table. When they inevitable raise i 3-bet and they usually call or shove. I usually need someone that's raising over 60 percent of hands at the table before i will make it a regular part of my game for that segment. The majority of the time though it is a bad play a micro nl. plaing a pair OP with 4 limpers behind you can be difficult.

I get flush's point though. Do we really need threads asking if it's ok to get all in with KK. It could be worse though atleast we don't have the entire first page full of post asking how to play AA preflop. Which was the case at a forum i use to visit.

I don't see why you would take issue with the limping AA. It's a generalized statement, but it holds true for about 99% of all tables at the micros. You said if for yourself that you won't make it a 'regular part of your game for that segment' unless theres a guy jacking up the pot almost every hand. I know we all say that generalizations in poker are bad, but there are exceptions to every rule and all the 'beginner questions' OP posted are such.

Originally Posted by DJJunkPauds

Semi-grunching.

This thread would make at least a little sense, if it were over in SHNL, or somewhere like that, but this is the Beginner's Circle. If one is irritated by elementary poker questions, this sub-forum is probably the last place one should be.

I don't know what level of skill OP, or others have attained in poker, but I imagine they probably didn't get there through having much more experienced players label their questions as stupid. That's certainly true in my case; for poker, as well as in other fields.

I think it's appropriate to ask that people use the search feature, and it would be useful to have a "Frequently Asked Spots" sticky, but I think the tone here is unhelpful, and in my opinion counter productive.

Some answers should be self evident. Nobody should have ask if they should stack off with KK before the flop or if they should fold JT when a 50xbb player raises of them infront of them. Ofcourse i'm not gonna bash anyone for asking such questions i just think you should know the answers before you even sit down at your first table.

We can also something like I moved up and im running 10BI below EV should I keep playing even though my BR is now 10BI for current level. The answer to this IS ALWAYS. MOVE DOWN NOW!!!!

!luck

Originally Posted by dranger7070

I don't see why you would take issue with the limping AA. It's a generalized statement, but it holds true for about 99% of all tables at the micros. You said if for yourself that you won't make it a 'regular part of your game for that segment' unless theres a guy jacking up the pot almost every hand. I know we all say that generalizations in poker are bad, but there are exceptions to every rule and all the 'beginner questions' OP posted are such.

Well it's not like i'm terrible insulted or anything.

Then I don't see the point of your initial response lolz

Originally Posted by Carroters

I hadz Kkingz cowboys today and folded to an utg open cos the guy was 0/0 over 17 handz.

Standard imo

Beginners are going to ask beginner questions. It's inevitable. The problem is that it's generally easier to ask something that others have already asked than to look around or even just to do a search. Suggesting people do one or both is great, but realistically, the level of compliance is never going to be or even approach complete.

If there's a good solution out there, I'd love to see it, and to see it implemented. But telling people posting certain topics is wrong seems more like an act of annoyance or frustration than it is a realistic suggestion for improvement. I wish it were so easy.

Originally Posted by Carroters

I hadz Kkingz cowboys today and folded to an utg open cos the guy was 0/0 over 17 handz.

yeah, but what country was he from?

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Getting a bit off topic and I don't think much more value can be had from this.