I agree, and I would probably fold. I hate Ax after the flop. If I go for the ace, he could have me kickerd; go for the x, he could have a pp; if Im going for the flush draw, only up against one limper and the blind. Doesnt seem worth it to me to call.

If he is LP he calls my raise and I am playing after the flop again, LA he goes after me and I have to decide how much I really like Ax, TP and he probably has you beat if he calls, TA and he probably isnt limping in from early position without a big hand. I dont like raising much either. I just hate Ax. Does anyone think I am off base here? if there were more limpers in ahead of me I would call, look for the flush/draw.

Isnt it traditional that it takes more to call an early limper than to make the first bet into the pot? dont remember where I read that.