Developing Non-Showdown Winnings

In what ways can you increase your Non-Showdown Winnings? More bluffs or floating? Im having trouble bringing my non-showdown winning graph go up

value bet thinner

Value betting yields showdowns.. from the initial topic I think he doesn't want a showdown.

Be more agressive
Perhaps change ur standard open raise from 3bb to 4bb

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

Value betting yields showdowns.. from the initial topic I think he doesn't want a showdown.

Value betting thinner yields more folds. Most players check behind too much.

Originally Posted by kmind

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

Value betting yields showdowns.. from the initial topic I think he doesn't want a showdown.

Value betting thinner yields more folds. Most players check behind too much.

sounds fair.

Pick on the weak, tend to avoid confrontations against strong players with marginal hands.

Solving this riddle is easy, how you adjust to winning more showdowns will be a problem. I spent all of the last two weeks trying to adjust, just to stop spewing in non showdowns. I have a new problem.

I just looked at this graph for my database and was surprised I was up less than a buy-in for non-showdown winnings while over the same period I was up 13 buy-ins for showdown winnings. Given that I've been picking on weak players so much lately it made me think.

Then I realized that folding your SB/BB is a non-showdown loss.

Yeah, blinds count in your non-showdowns. I'm running about dead even over 7k hands in non-showdown winnings. Wish I could pinpoint my changes, but not folding as much probably helped me.

i wanna see a rly solid players stat

yo wtf at fold BB being non-showdown loss.

Originally Posted by Keilah

yo wtf at fold BB being non-showdown loss.

It's a loss, and it's not at a showdown, so this is pretty straight-forward.

Running about break-even at non-showdown is fine, fwiw, as long as you're up at showdowns.

Sustainable?

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by Keilah

yo wtf at fold BB being non-showdown loss.

It's a loss, and it's not at a showdown, so this is pretty straight-forward.

Running about break-even at non-showdown is fine, fwiw, as long as you're up at showdowns.

is less than 1bbs/100 acceptable for the nits out there like me?

what are your most prominent strategies for creating these non showdown winnings fnord? nice graph

bluff shove every river obv

Originally Posted by badgers

bluff shove every river obv

this is a huge leak since you should be bluff shoving most turns.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Originally Posted by badgers

bluff shove every river obv

this is a huge leak since you should be bluff shoving most turns.

this is not as effective since you will inadvertantly suckout and win sometimes.

I managed to get my non-showdown winnings from badly negative to near breakeven by:

Picking better board textures to c-bet / double barrel
Picking better villains to c-bet / double barrel
Being more selective about c-betting/bluffing in general
Floating c-bet bots in position more & punishing their predictability.
Tightening up a little preflop.

The last one worked for me because I was pretty loose preflop and ended up in marginal spots vs loose shortstacks where I c-bet a lot with trash or 2nd pair no kicker and had to give up a lot of raised/cbet pots.

Great point dozer. I think one problem a lot of developing TAGs have, is they c-bet like monkeys. Learning that its ok to not c-bet when you dont think its good to do so can really help.

Originally Posted by bjsaust

I think one problem a lot of developing TAGs have, is they c-bet like monkeys.

Yes this was me for quite a while. Just insta c-betting with no thought of range, fold equity, board texture, etc...

Definite spew. But having been that way for a while, I understand the mindset of the regs I find with like 80% cbet flop. It's the 50%-60% cbet types I worry more about now. Don't like floating em' so much, but still will with a showdown value type hand.

Exploiting predictable villains is fun

steal more blinds and 3bet more preflop