Quote Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Quote Originally Posted by ArcticKnight
Ok, let me get this straight. You talk to each during games, but don't tell each other what you have until after the hand.??? I have three comments on this.

1. If you are sharing information (even after the hand) that all players are not getting, I think that is cheating.
2. Are we really supposed to believe that in a NL game when one of your opponents is all-in, and each of you are considering calling, that there is no discusion taking place??

It's a bit like going to bed with your wife's hot sister and then telling your wife the next day that you didn't have sex.....Maybe not the first night, but eventually tempation will prevail. I have trouble buying this one, guys...

3. I don't believe that the profits from collusion at a short-handed tables would be miniscule. Potentialy they could be large, very large. (1)Each time colluders go heads-up againts each other, no money is lost. And I am guessing colluders would give up some rake to throw people off (2) Against a big bet colluders could confirm who has the best calling hand and call accordingly. (3) imagine the ability for the colluders to steal big pots with two all-ins in an attempt to have the others get out of the way.
(4). Or, how about when KKK flops and one of the colluders says, don't worry, I folded K4os....That information (and similar) info could be worth a fortune.


Think of it this way. How much money do you think you could make at a 6h table if you knew the pocket cards (every time) of even just one of your opponents. A solid player could make a fortune. Take that a step further and now (with collusion) you can bet, check or fold for the other player... You still don't think you could make money colluding??

Don't kid yourself, two or more colluders could make lots of money at our expense.

Personally I watch very closely when I see two players at the same table lots, especially if they are trashing each other on chat. If I don't see them tackling other players at the same time (and both staying to the river), I am very concerned. I want to see them "both" rsiky their money at the same time.
Wait, so you watch other players to see if they are colluding against you when you are the colluder yourself? This is the pot calling the kettle black. You are more than welcome to sit in with Mike and I next time we play and you'll see how we play. We do wait for the end of our hands before we say what we have because I want to take Mike's money just as much as he wants to take mine. To your points:

1) You can see everyone's hand at showdown at Party poker, and I don't gain anything from knowing what he has after he folds. I already know how he plays, he knows how I play. We go over each other's play and determine what is the best way to play that hand given the situation. Its a mutually beneficial solution to something completely legal.

2) First, we play Limit Hold'em. If i want to see what Mike has at showdown I have to pay him for it just like everyone else. Sure, I imagine he would tell me if i folded; but if he was bluffing that would just make my ass look more silly. If you really think I am lieing, search some of the hands that are posted on here that have me and him on them, MOST of the time we are chatting on IRC, and you see the results....

3) Are you colluding to make the most money? You think you could make more money that way than for learning to play for real? Give me a break.... After enough experience you can actually READ what a person has as determined by the way he bets....no need to cheat for it.

4) what? the blinds? You know the K isnt out there so raise huge and get them to fold because you know they dont have the K. Money can only go so far man before ethics takes a hold of you.

Ok. let's just aggree to disagree and leave it at that. You think that sharing info on what your hand was with your friend after the hand is over is not cheating, and I think it is not fair. For me, I don't want to play with anybody that is communicating with another opponent in any way.
(other than the plain language chat on the site that anyone at the table can read).

As far as 'calling the kettle black," I have no idea whtat you are talking about. Are you saying I'm cheating by trying to be on the lookout for cheaters...?