Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Quote Originally Posted by Monty3038
Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
We should always check behind with TT-KK.

Monty, you even said it yourself.

"I fold to anything larger than a 2xmin raise. If he flats it, likely I'm facing a pair of Aces and will not bet again unless I improve on the turn. "

We're not cbetting based on relative hand strength but we're cbetting for a reason. Betting to have better hands call, worse hands fold and always muck to c/raises seems like a bad reason.
Hmm... is that how it came off? Well then that wasn't my reasoning but maybe my logic is flawed
Ok, you get a free pass to reword or rephrase anything you said. Even if you thought it was wrong then, I'd like to hear your thoughts now!
Hmm... I haven't had a lot of time today but have thought about this a bit. Let me see if I can rephrase or reword what my goals are on this hand...

Rilla said:
We're not cbetting based on relative hand strength but we're cbetting for a reason. Betting to have better hands call, worse hands fold and always muck to c/raises seems like a bad reason

I agree, betting in these situations seems like a bad move. But my intention in c-betting is to have potentially better hands fold and force a potential mistake. My problem with the A high flop is that it may make my hand second best, I not only have to gain information (such as determining they have the Ace thus allowing me to lose a small c-bet versus thinking I'm good and losing my stack)... or causing a win right here. If villian folds a worse hand, well, how likely was he to continue anyway? I don't want to give him a look at a free card to improve without it costing him, but also it would depend on the player whether he will raise with the ace... if I get raised, I'm done, he likely hit the ace... a flat call does not guarantee him to have the ace but it puts me on notice...

Does that make it a bit clearer or is this still logically flawed in your opinion?