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I just dont believe you can be stuck in a pot where you believe that you are not good.

strongly disagree
Oh no Miff post time?

Miffed22001 wrote:
I just dont believe the crap that gets shown to me when I make a good pot odds call.


Fixed your post.
lol.
QFT

I guess now for an answer to the post.
Opps range preflop is recognisable as they are a taggy player. In full ring the likelyhood of a fold is more likely imo than 6 max as the raisng range of a tagg is a little wider. Perhaps taggs who arent rocks turn into semi-loose aggressives in 6 max so vp$ip is cloer to 20-25% but only my opinion.
Here then in this hand Fnord isnt playing for stacks in most cases. Why? Opp makes a standard c-bet after raising preflop. Pretty standard. But facing a raise from fnord in position despite having made a bet that suggests a hand puts opp in a serious situation. Why? Opps reaction to the raise defines not only his hand but how far he is willing to go in the hand. Most players here, assuming they have the ace will either call and see a turn (and at times improve to a very good second best hand and still bust) or then fold to more strength on the turn (ala rippy poker ) or will just fold the flop believing they are beat. Occasionlly we find the calling station who thinks fnord is full or air or is making a play with a flush or straight draw or weaker ace and decides to call some big bets through a few streets (often bad play)
Rarely do you find a player who will reraise fnord here with top pair because opp doesnt recognise this is both a positional bully tactic and an easy play to make when opp knows top pair is a pretty weak hand facing a standard raise, although to counter this arguement facing a raise from a good player in position it is actually a lot stronger hand. Obviously, this is the bait in the trap. Doing this once with air or a weaker ace and getting play from opp means the big hand will get paid.

You know someone is a little tough to handle when they consistently 3 bet you back, and overbet turns when you smooth call flops on the draw.
This is exactly what im pointing to here then!
Thus why is opp playing for stacks and fnord isnt? Fnord doesnt want a call or at least believes his strong flop play will buy him the pot on the turn or perhaps even as far as the river (players who believe in being pot commited will probably argue that fnord must showdown if the hand reaches the river, but thats another point) Opps range of hands to call a raise, when he doesnt recognise it is positional is small, even tptk isnt really an option. But a set or a big flush draw or tpgk and a flush draw give options for opp. But in all those cases he almost has to play for stacks. Reasons?
1. His hand is very strong, perhaps stongest in the case of a set and thus playing for stacks is standard.
2. Top pair and flush draw is a hand that has semi-bluff capabilities becuase it can be played like a set or stronger hand. It thus has fold-equity as well as potential to draw to the best hand.
So, if opp decides his hand either has showdown capacity or opp has a hand that has semi-bluff/fold equity then he must play for stacks. facing a raise only the strength of an all in may force fnord to fold his hand.
On the other hand fnord makes what should be a standard play in position for many players
Opp raises then bets what appears to be a good flop. Fine, but then gets raised. As said, opps range to reraise fnord or pooosh is small and that allows fnord to get away from his hand if he decides what he has isnt strong enough. On the other case, if opp calls fnord can continue to show strength either with the nuts or air or a marginal hand as he has position and can guess opp cant call unless he has a damn strong read.
Thus opp playing out of position with a hand that is strong but not tht strong facing a genuine raise, but arguably is more strong facing a positional raise as here, must make a decision for his stack. Opp cant call here really and reasses on the turn. Either they push or reraise, over-playing a strong but not super strong hand or they fold to a show of positional strength.
This is why, as i have been learning recently more and more that air is a quality hand providing you know how to play it properly. As i keep posting in other peoples threads and HH's auto raising 1 in 3 flops in someone elses raised pot will buy you a number of pots through aggression pumping the magical bb/100 up as quickly as a nice run of cards will do.
how'd i do?