common HUD stuff

couple of quick things i want clarified, if possible:

- what is the difference between AF and A Frequency? i cant seem to find a correlation between a high AF and a high frequency.

- can anyone explain BB/100 for the table? does it measure money coming or leaving the table? i assume its pretty useless, i just have no clue what it could mean.

any other favorites stats you like?

A frequency is simply the number of times they bet or raised. So after 10k hands this could be in the thousands. More hands = higher aggressive frequency.
AF is standard. Higher AF = more aggressive.

I display: VPIP, PFR, Flop AF, Total AF, net $won and the player rating i have assigned to them

I like seeing how often they call c-bets, how often they c-bet, how often they bet turn.

i'm in love with fold to cbet and/or folds to flop bet myself. i dont display much. i combine the standard PT stats (vpip, pfr, AF) and then combine cbet/folds cbet/folds flop/wtsd. i put total frequency in there to watch how it relates to AF.

i know i asked the question, so i dont have a real clue, but i dont think your definition of frequency is right, daven. i have 100's of hands on some very aggressive players and i dont see them over 60. i see numbers ranging in the 30-55 range most common.

isnt it the number of times they bet/raise per 100 hands expressed as a %? i dont think its cumulative.

statistics maybe lies but they would be less than worthless if they changed due to sample size other than to reduce deviation.

http://www.wnypoker.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21892

That should answer your question Chopper.

Aggression Frequency is calculated as:
(Times Raised + Times Bet) / (Times Raised + Times Bet + Times Called + Times Folded)
Which as a percentage (which is what it shows up as) is the same is % Times Raised + % Times Bet. This number does not depend on VP$IP. A player with an aggression Freq of 60% bets or raises 60% of the time.


Aggression Factor is calculated as:
(% Raise + % Bet) / % Call
A high aggression factor just tells us that player doesn't call very often, not necessarily that they bet and raise a lot.
Aggression Factor has no use without looking at VP$IP.
Two players:
A 60/20/3
B 20/15/3
You can assume player A is actually way more aggressive, since he's active in way more pots post flop (he's a maniac), whereas player B is a standard TAG, who's mostly active when he's got the goods post flop.
Yet they've both got the same Aggression Factor.

thanks, taxi. that was exactly what i thought it was.

and i like the comparison of the LAG and TAG. i have had a hard time explaining this to friends. they just cant grasp why a 80 vpip is so much more aggressive than a 15 vpip when they both have a 2 for AF.

Originally Posted by daven

A frequency is simply the number of times they bet or raised. So after 10k hands this could be in the thousands. More hands = higher aggressive frequency.

NO

Originally Posted by Taxi

Aggression Frequency is calculated as:
(Times Raised + Times Bet) / (Times Raised + Times Bet + Times Called + Times Folded)
Which as a percentage (which is what it shows up as) is the same is % Times Raised + % Times Bet. This number does not depend on VP$IP. A player with an aggression Freq of 60% bets or raises 60% of the time.


Aggression Factor is calculated as:
(% Raise + % Bet) / % Call
A high aggression factor just tells us that player doesn't call very often, not necessarily that they bet and raise a lot.
Aggression Factor has no use without looking at VP$IP.
Two players:
A 60/20/3
B 20/15/3
You can assume player A is actually way more aggressive, since he's active in way more pots post flop (he's a maniac), whereas player B is a standard TAG, who's mostly active when he's got the goods post flop.
Yet they've both got the same Aggression Factor.

YES

By the way, I now use Frequency instead of factor, since it is a much better indicator of aggression. Total AF is a decent indicator of of overall and preflop aggression, but street to street is much better as Agg frequency. Taking Folding into account as a weak, non aggressive play is important. AF doesn't account for folding. If a player folds on the flop 98 times and bets once and raises once, his AF will be through the roof.

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

Taking Folding into account as a weak, non aggressive play is important. AF doesn't account for folding. If a player folds on the flop 98 times and bets once and raises once, his AF will be through the roof.

/\/\Very important /\/\

You can work out the same by comparing them side by side too: take a player with AFactor of 5 but AFreq of 10%, we know he's not calling very often, due to the high AFactor, and he's not betting/raising very often, due to the low AFreq, so he's folding most of the time.
But by the time you've got a big enough sample size to work this out you should have a good read he folds lots anyway!

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

By the way, I now use Frequency instead of factor, since it is a much better indicator of aggression. Total AF is a decent indicator of of overall and preflop aggression, but street to street is much better as Agg frequency. Taking Folding into account as a weak, non aggressive play is important. AF doesn't account for folding. If a player folds on the flop 98 times and bets once and raises once, his AF will be through the roof.

this is why most nits think they are TAGs, and is why, in another thread, i declare myself a nit. something i need to fix. i would rather be a true TAG, constantly putting pressure on your marginal hands, than a nit who folds to all the times you bet your marginals.

hence, wanting to know what some of these HUD stats are truly measuring. i am watching MY stats on tables, too. not for "image," but to see how i play, and why.

sorry, stand happily corrected!