Coldest run of cards in my life? Losing money and i duno why

After having a downswing at 200 NL i moved down to 50 NL. And guess what! Im still losing money! (though not as fast) This is after 4k hands of 50 NL, I have lost two buy-ins. I dont want im doing wrong, what leaks i have or anything? Its like everytime I have pocket aces, the other guy has a set! I even lost a buy-in to AA v AA with a 4-flush on the board on the river (all in on the flop). I lost multiple times with a small set that got beaten by an overpair that caught a higher set on the turn (after potting the flop) Any advice? How does one find leaks when one is losing money and one doesnt know why? All the hands I lose seem to be "standard".. i dont get it!

maybe get back to basics. Play pairs-only for traps awhile, then gradually add in the more speculative hands.

Don't know if you've got PT but if you do find your losingest hands and post a few of the histories. Not the ones where the guy sucked out, but the ones where you thought you were ahead and weren't.

Originally Posted by LeFou

maybe get back to basics. Play pairs-only for traps awhile, then gradually add in the more speculative hands.

Don't know if you've got PT but if you do find your losingest hands and post a few of the histories. Not the ones where the guy sucked out, but the ones where you thought you were ahead and weren't.

Thanks I am playing basics, but not really winning. I am going to get PokerTracker I think, I am beginning to see why its so important.

Wanna hug this shit out?

I really think you may be overreacting. Possibly play some other form of poker (mtts/sngs, limit, 7stud) for a little while?

-'rilla

Originally Posted by spino1i

Thanks I am playing basics, but not really winning. I am going to get PokerTracker I think, I am beginning to see why its so important.

Best money you'll ever spend. Just be careful not to misterpret the results and become yet another 50nl nit.

Against the fish you gotta overbet hard, maybe your trying too many tricky plays ( which is acceptable at 1/2NL) but not in the fish pond of NL50. Made your set of 2's in a $2 pot? bet $5 ( maybe a little exateration, but make it very -EV for anyone with a hand which will improve over 30% of the time to call) If you underbet too much eg. giving them 3:1 on 4:1 draw, your not making too much profit, especially if they hit their draw and win a river bet, its almost dead even. Hammer the fish

sort of in line with what rilla said. get away from that game for a bit. if not "the game" itself. take a few days to clear your head, forget cards for a bit. you'll sit back down forced to play good solid poker.

quit thinking so damn hard.

Its simple. You may be one of the best ring players on here... I enjoy reading your posts and watching your discipline... from going to 200 NL to 400NL to 1000NL and then moving down stakes when your bankroll dictates (such as when you bought a car).... to most ppl, they could never go from 1000Nl to 50NL, even if its apparent its a downswing (to many of the true gamblers, they don't get the same feeling of winning a 1k pot as a 28 dollar pot)

But yet, you can, because you have the discpline and patience. I went through the same type of downswing (and yet, found the fun of a 5 dollar pot as compared to a 600 dollar pot) and I think you should sit down, wait back and switch up the game. Play some SnGs (where a bad beat costs you the sng buy in, not your entire cash buy in) and maybe eve in an MTT or two.

When you are this depressed, going 4-5 hours and ITM in an MTT might be what sparks your confidence and gets you back. If its a strict bankroll issue, then play some SnGs and get back into it.

Either way, you are one of the best here and you are going to do awesome. Just remember, variance is what keeps the fish here, and the fish are what bought your car

Originally Posted by spino1i

After having a downswing at 200 NL i moved down to 50 NL. And guess what! Im still losing money! (though not as fast) This is after 4k hands of 50 NL, I have lost two buy-ins. I dont want im doing wrong, what leaks i have or anything? Its like everytime I have pocket aces, the other guy has a set! I even lost a buy-in to AA v AA with a 4-flush on the board on the river (all in on the flop). I lost multiple times with a small set that got beaten by an overpair that caught a higher set on the turn (after potting the flop) Any advice? How does one find leaks when one is losing money and one doesnt know why? All the hands I lose seem to be "standard".. i dont get it!

Dude, this sounds really depressing. I know you bought a car, but man, $50NL after playing in $1000NL? I guess it really can happen to anyone. Scary.

You must be in a terrible downswing. It's probably at the point that PokerTracker ain't gonna do crap for ya. I know for me it would probably be an emotional problem (and I'm a very unemotional guy) rather than a statistical problem.

If you can afford to, STAY AWAY FROM POKER for a while. Avoid it like the plague. Just spend some time to reevaluate your game.

Maybe you're pushing your big hands harder than you used to. In baseball when you're in a slump you could start "pressing". That's when you're trying to hard. That could be a part of your current problem. Like, "I can't get AA cracked AGAIN could I?"

You're just gonna have to play through it. You're obviously getting unlucky. I would just quit poker for a while.

Originally Posted by spino1i

After having a downswing at 200 NL i moved down to 50 NL. And guess what! Im still losing money! (though not as fast) This is after 4k hands of 50 NL

10.000 hands is NOT long-term
-Fnord

Stop blame lady luck

Here's my last few days...

I start off by busting out of 3 straight casinos.

Then I decide to try out the 25+2 turbo sit n goes on Stars to clear their bonus. I don't have much experience playing SNG's but I do know that I was running horrible, time after time my money would go in with a dominating hand and I would get outdrawn like clockwork.

So I decide to go back to what I do best -ring games-. I start off by losing two buy-ins in the first 10 mins of play and then continue to tilt away another $450 in the next hour.

Result: -$1500

Spinoi I had this problem a few weeks ago and busted through my entire bankroll. This is what I did.

Just like everyone else said, just start playing straight up poker. When you make a hand, bet it. Don't check your made trips or set and try to be tricky/trappy, because that is what makes decisions hard (When the op doesn't know what you have).

If you just make a hand, and just bet it hard, like they said, over-bet pots the whole way.

If they don't call fine, but at least they didn't suck out on you. You will be suprised at the idiots at 25NL and 50NL that will chase you the whole way with second pair, even though you have been a repping a huge hand the whole way. It's almost like they expect you to be trick/trappy.

Playing straight up poker again works at these levels and it's what got me back on track.

Hope it helps.

The downswing begin after a trip to PokerStars where I got my ass whooped and a lot of bad beats there. Then went to the skins which were insanely hard and more bad beats. Then got desperate and went to party, and am down about 450$ there. All in all, a 2000$ downswing.

Thanks for the support guys, the downswing has for the most part ended, though I still have been unable to make any money at 50 NL. I am on track to break-even after 10k hands (another 3000 hands to go) there once my bonus clears. I just dont understand how could I run into so many bad beats. It was absolutely amazing. I had never seen so many cards against me in my life. I now see why some people think online poker is rigged.

i woundered what happened to ur br spino. moving down stakes will involve changing your game / playin style somewhat I think (more camping and less poker judo and higher thinking moves as players generally get way to married to their hands)

Maybe try adding more and more tables to grind thru the varience, i used to 5 table now ive started 8-9 tabling to build my roll.

i also agree its wikid u have the disipline and humbleness to drop down in stakes when ur br dictates.

checkout my 60k hands post for the graph showing how varience gave me a 10k hand period where i was loosing money by the end of it... over about 8k hands i dropped 500BBs (or 10 stacks)

gl with the grinding

another thing is you will always get a downswing worse than any other youve had before and probably worse than you ever thought possible

Originally Posted by SinkRox

i woundered what happened to ur br spino. moving down stakes will involve changing your game / playin style somewhat I think (more camping and less poker judo and higher thinking moves as players generally get way to married to their hands)

Maybe try adding more and more tables to grind thru the varience, i used to 5 table now ive started 8-9 tabling to build my roll.

i also agree its wikid u have the disipline and humbleness to drop down in stakes when ur br dictates.

checkout my 60k hands post for the graph showing how varience gave me a 10k hand period where i was loosing money by the end of it... over about 8k hands i dropped 500BBs (or 10 stacks)

gl with the grinding

I 10-table, and I play basic ABC poker everytime at 50 NL. No judo moves lol. Im starting to make it back now (see hand history forum)

last couple weeks i went through a terrible run of cards as well. I've never lost with so many flopped full houses, gotten my continuation bets raised every time, and had my tptk called down until the river where i was reraised all in. i easily saw all of this, but i also eventually realized that i was paying off too many value bets and river raises. take a break, check your HH's and come back refreshed.

Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

last couple weeks i went through a terrible run of cards as well. I've never lost with so many flopped full houses, gotten my continuation bets raised every time, and had my tptk called down until the river where i was reraised all in. i easily saw all of this, but i also eventually realized that i was paying off too many value bets and river raises. take a break, check your HH's and come back refreshed.

This is exactly what happened to me. Exactly.

Originally Posted by spino1i

Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

last couple weeks i went through a terrible run of cards as well. I've never lost with so many flopped full houses, gotten my continuation bets raised every time, and had my tptk called down until the river where i was reraised all in. i easily saw all of this, but i also eventually realized that i was paying off too many value bets and river raises. take a break, check your HH's and come back refreshed.

This is exactly what happened to me. Exactly.

I'm going thru this as well. Hopefully it ends soon.

Don't worry, I've been having a terrible downswing starting yesterday at stars...went from 900 to 740 back to 850 down to 760 back to 820...finally resting on about 780 from beat after beat, people catching better sets on the turn, JQ going all in against my aces and flopping two pair...people going alli n against my sets with draws and hitting...its been terrible

Winning tiny pots and losing huge ones is all I've done this weekend

This same thing happened to me a couple of weeks ago. My bankroll dropped from $4000 to $2500 in four days, playing $100 games.

Just stick with the same game that built up your bankroll in the first place. It's tough, but you'll eventually snap out of it - I know I did. I took a weekend off and proceeded to make it all back in two nights.

Originally Posted by spino1i

The downswing begin after a trip to PokerStars where I got my ass whooped and a lot of bad beats there. Then went to the skins which were insanely hard and more bad beats. Then got desperate and went to party, and am down about 450$ there. All in all, a 2000$ downswing.

It's too bad you had to move down in limits. $2k is a burden, but not impossible to win back quickly at $200NL. It's scary, but I bet you could have gotten out of it. I just had a $1700 downswing and it didn't take me long to recover. Are you just playing it ultrasafe, or was your bankroll kind of small to begin with? I'd like to know, because my bankroll is only 21 buy ins. I think I'm gonna increase it after reading this post.

Originally Posted by Checkways

Originally Posted by spino1i

The downswing begin after a trip to PokerStars where I got my ass whooped and a lot of bad beats there. Then went to the skins which were insanely hard and more bad beats. Then got desperate and went to party, and am down about 450$ there. All in all, a 2000$ downswing.

It's too bad you had to move down in limits. $2k is a burden, but not impossible to win back quickly at $200NL. It's scary, but I bet you could have gotten out of it. I just had a $1700 downswing and it didn't take me long to recover. Are you just playing it ultrasafe, or was your bankroll kind of small to begin with? I'd like to know, because my bankroll is only 21 buy ins. I think I'm gonna increase it after reading this post.

Im playing ultra safe. I like to get a winning mood (and have won 3 or so buy-ins at 50 NL) before I move up again. Make sure the downswing dont take my whole bankroll.

I've shed 40% of my bankroll in the last two weeks (I don't need to move down as I'm still playing at £25NL mainly) but over the last few days I have tightened up and made a small amount each day, and *appear* to be back on an upwards trajectory.

It's SO hard to see each hand, each session in isolation, rather than glancing at your earnings graft and feeling betrayed because that fantastic 6,000 hand upswing a few weeks ago that ended so suddenly and drastically isn't your birthright after all.

I am having a 300BB limit upswing. Curiously that's through the entire 1000 hands of limit that I played in my life.