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  1. #1

    Default Can you add in the guy behind you?

    So there's some PF raising and I see a flop with two others holding :Ah: :Qh:

    Me: $55 or so
    Opp1: $28 (this is the guy who raised)
    Opp2: $10

    pot: $11
    Flop: :Kh:
    Opp1 bets $11 and I act before Opp2

    So I don't have the odds but I'm certain Opp2 is going in. My ace could very well be live. Based on how Opp1 plays I wouldn't be surprised if my Q were live too. And if the river misses me Opp1 will only be able to bet $17 more into a $50 or so pot.

    Is this callable? I find it weird because the short stakes make implied odds worse but effective odds better.
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    Technichally I don't think you're getting the correct odds to make the call. Personally I'd gamble and try to hit the flush, but that's just me.
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    Just to be quick about it, let's look at what you'd be getting if all their money was in the pot - and since you don't seem worried about opp2 winning, let's just assume he's dead money.

    You'd have to put in 28 to win 11+10+28 = 49. You need to win that 28/49, or slightly over 50% of the time. If your A is live you're close. If your Q is live you're golden.

    All assuming my fast mental math is goot - I have a pizza in the oven that might very well be burning right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts
    Just to be quick about it, let's look at what you'd be getting if all their money was in the pot - and since you don't seem worried about opp2 winning, let's just assume he's dead money.

    You'd have to put in 28 to win 11+10+28 = 49. You need to win that 28/49, or slightly over 50% of the time. If your A is live you're close. If your Q is live you're golden.

    All assuming my fast mental math is goot - I have a pizza in the oven that might very well be burning right now.
    You were good 'til you got to "28/49"
    Odds must be 49 to 28 or 1.75 to 1.
    Your flush draw is about a 2 to 1 shot on the flop, so if your A is live you are fine, and even your backdoor straight draw gives you about the right odds to call.
    To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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    I would push.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    I would push.
    I was really considering this.
    You may be able to isolate #2 with a weak hand, or even win the hand straight out.
    Since you are planning on calling anyway, Pushing gives you the best chance to win.
    To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
  7. #7
    i hadn't thought of that. I was looking for Opp2's stack to help out my odds for a turn call if I missed
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
    You were good 'til you got to "28/49"
    Odds must be 49 to 28 or 1.75 to 1.
    You think x to y, I think x%, both are correct ways of going about it. I did however forget to add in the player's bet to the denominator, it's 28/77 or ~36% chance required to be 0EV. That makes the situation much better with 2 cards to come. Push~
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