Call with QQ and no reads?

call. i wouldn't be surprised if he has all combos of AK, and maybe some more worse.

Originally Posted by HoopyDude

His range is much wider given his stack size, I'd assume it's is something like {99+,AJ+}.

Definitely call.

Originally Posted by bikes

don't 3b unless you want to call it off

+1 to both of these.

Originally Posted by PKKFW

Is this comment in regards to this specific type of situation or in general? For example, what if we had a sample on villain of 300 hands or more and he was a 6/4 nit with 4bet% of less than 1%? Or are queens good to go because of the equity we have in this hand almost regardless of his stats?

Seems I was correct in calling even on the narrow range I put him on so that is good.

He showed KK which sucked but such is life.

If he is a player as you just described then I would never be 3betting QQ. Against such a huge nit it's a pretty big mistake to turn a great hand like QQ into a marginal one and also sacrifices a massive amount of value post flop by playing QQ in a 3bet pot vs a nit. Against a 6/4 type player I'd be much more happy to 3bet a bunch of hands like Jxs, Qxs, Kxs, Axs. These have blockers, and play very well in 3bet pots with position.

It used to be the case that QQ all in preflop for 100bb was absolutely standard but these days you have to pick your spots more and stats certainly come into the equation. However, with these stack sizes I don't think getting QQ in is ever going to be a mistake unless he literally has a 1% 4b over like 800 hands and you know he is an absurdly nitty "pro-shortstacker"

Originally Posted by Donachello

If he is a player as you just described then I would never be 3betting QQ.

Well it was just an example really. Also, I was not 3betting against the person who shoved. I 3bet against a fish and the other guy shoved over the top of me.

But I take your point and agree that 3betting against a total nit like my example is something I would never do.

Originally Posted by Donachello

Against such a huge nit it's a pretty big mistake to turn a great hand like QQ into a marginal one and also sacrifices a massive amount of value post flop by playing QQ in a 3bet pot vs a nit. Against a 6/4 type player I'd be much more happy to 3bet a bunch of hands like Jxs, Qxs, Kxs, Axs. These have blockers, and play very well in 3bet pots with position.

That's interesting and I had not thought of it. I get the bit about losing value post flop playing QQ in a 3bet pot but can you explain a bit more about why Jxs-Axs would be your preferred hands to 3bet with?

Originally Posted by Donachello

It used to be the case that QQ all in preflop for 100bb was absolutely standard but these days you have to pick your spots more and stats certainly come into the equation. However, with these stack sizes I don't think getting QQ in is ever going to be a mistake unless he literally has a 1% 4b over like 800 hands and you know he is an absurdly nitty "pro-shortstacker"

That's pretty much what I thought.