Call here?

Easy call, right?

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($36.37)
SB ($5.45)
Hero ($25.00)
UTG ($25.00)
UTG+1 ($11.68)
MP1 ($17.10)
MP2 ($9.85)
MP3 ($29.70)
CO ($11.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, Q. SB posts a blind of $0.10. UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, CO calls $0.25, Button raises to $0.9, SB (poster) calls $0.80, Hero calls $0.65, UTG calls $0.65, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $0.65, CO folds.

Flop: ($5) A, J, 9 (5 players)
SB bets $4.55, Hero calls $4.55?

I prefer raising

Yeah. I dunno. Maybe.

I think I want people in. I'd push if I thought I'd get a call...

12 out, 50% to win if you see both cards, I think I raise

Originally Posted by Anosmic

I think I want people in. I'd push if I thought I'd get a call...

Imo it's the other way around.. a push/raise here is good if it will most likely get a fold..

Originally Posted by jackvance

Originally Posted by Anosmic

I think I want people in. I'd push if I thought I'd get a call...

Imo it's the other way around.. a push/raise here is good if it will most likely get a fold..

Actually, either way I'm happy. There is no guarentee that the flush isn't already made, also no guarentee you'll hit your outs. But contrarily you have a good shot at making best hand so you have plenty of outs to both the nuts and second nuts if you get called. In a situation like this, I think I a push gains you the max amount of FE and the max amount of value for your hand. It's win/win.

The SB is all in and we only have a draw so we are going to have to get to showdown. Becuase of this should we be calling trying to get an overcall? A push is going to get folds most likely and we cant really make many other raises. Do we want to isolate a shortstack AI who probably has atleast a pair when we only have a draw?

To the people advocating a raise, what would we make it?

Also, is it too weak/tight to advocate folding PF here? We have a marginal holding and are OOP in a raised pot with a hand that is easily dominated and the pot is likely to be very multiway.

I think in the position any raise has to be a push. I agree that any raise is likely to get folds (although this may be because I saw what happened).

So I thought easy call, if anyone pushes then I can happily call. I think the pot is even big enough that if anyone else calls I can push on any turn that doesn't pair the board. Maybe even then...

Folding PF is a definite option. Especially after SB calls. But laying down the blind again when I have reasonable cards seems a bit weak.

Originally Posted by Anosmic

But laying down the blind again when I have reasonable cards seems a bit weak.

There's a difference between defending your blinds heads up versus a more obvious steal attempt and defending just because you finally got decent cards.

Without a read, I fold preflop there.

As played - I call the flop bet - you don't wanna isolate here, you want people in the pot with you so if you do hit you really get paid off.

Originally Posted by jackvance

Originally Posted by Anosmic

I think I want people in. I'd push if I thought I'd get a call...

Imo it's the other way around.. a push/raise here is good if it will most likely get a fold..

If the SB wasnt AI I would agree with this, but he is so we are going to go to showdown if we dont fold.