C-Bet's being called.

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

Originally Posted by Hawkfan79

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

When someone peels a flop, this is the time to look at what they can call with.

Could you explain what you mean by this? This is the only part of your I didn't really get.

What I am saying is C betting is only part of the equation. When you raise AQo in late position and get a caller from the blinds, you need to C bet, but you need to think about the board, the opponent and the pot. If the flop hit's your hand, it's an obvious situation when checked to. But if the flop is Kd 9s 7d, and you C bet what appears to be a decent flop and get called, what is your next play? Shut down or 2 barrel, right? Well, what called that flop? What would yuo call with on that flop? Wht does the turn card do to the callers range of hands he would have? Now, should you fire again if the turn is a spade? Maybe a Qd? What if it's a Jh?

Thanks trainer. This is perfect. Just the kind of thinking I need to be doing.

Here's my take on what would happen if I was the villain in the blinds on the Kd 9s 7d flop question. Preflop there I'm rr'ing with AK and QQ+ and folding KQ and worse plus all the sc's (unless the button is a complete fish). I don't want to play junk oop against something I think is decent. If I think he's on a steal too often, I'll pick a spot to raise, not call, to try to punish him. Some I'm calling here with pp's - JJ and less. And then, I'm only likely to check the flop if I hit a set. I'd c-bet myself with most pp's on this board. Check-call? Against me, you could probably guess: set, set, set. (My only protection against this read is that I also bet right out when I flop sets fairly often, too. But I do check-call against agro villains who might fire two barrels - villains who play like me!!)

This whole thread has been revelation. What called the flop? The only scenario that would cause me to have that betting pattern is a set. So why don't I even consider that when it happens to me? Why do I c-bet mindlessly just based on my cards, my position and my HUD stats? His range, positional thinking and read on me might have SOMETHING to do with it. Jeez, I can play this game like real dumbass sometimes.