Quote Originally Posted by salsa4ever
Quote Originally Posted by pantherhound
But the players I target still aren't willing to play bigball even if they do notice. They just don't have the stones. The following example involves a very detailed read. i even know that he knows exactly how I play and has tilted vs me before. Even with this in mind this player is never willing to push back on the turn. the actual bluff is a classic flush rep which is very plausible because he knows I raise any two from there frequently, hence calling his reraise.

The only problem here is that I would like to shove the river if he calls the turn raise, but we don't have enough behind for him to be able to fold. which brings me onto the next point- Who likes a minraise on the turn? This way we still have FE but can push most rivers if he calls because he then has enough behind to fold.

Game #3990542103: Hold'em NL ($1/$2) - 2007/05/06 - 14:57:51 (UK)
Table "TampTamp" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: felipe123 ($237.50 in chips)
Seat 2: FloppyDuc ($161.50 in chips)
Seat 3: mam_76 ($401.75 in chips)
Seat 4: MBpoker ($216 in chips)
Seat 5: Smiffy44 ($201.75 in chips)
Seat 6: determine ($94 in chips)
Seat 7: Ste181118 ($214.25 in chips)
Seat 9: bananamoz ($200 in chips)
Seat 10: fudgy123 ($193 in chips)
stormwind joins the table at seat #8
Ste181118: posts small blind $1
stormwind: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Smiffy44 [Ac 7s]
bananamoz: folds
fudgy123: folds
felipe123: folds
FloppyDuc: folds
mam_76: folds
MBpoker: folds
Smiffy44: raises to $6
determine: folds
Ste181118: raises to $12
stormwind: folds
Smiffy44: calls $6
----- FLOP ----- [2d Ts 7d]
Ste181118: bets $22
Smiffy44: calls $22
----- TURN ----- [2d Ts 7d][6d]
Ste181118: bets $30
Smiffy44: raises to $90
Ste181118: folds
Returned uncalled bets $60 to Smiffy44
Smiffy44: doesn't show hand
Smiffy44 collected $127 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $130 Main pot $127 Rake $3
Board [2d Ts 7d 6d]
Seat 1: felipe123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: FloppyDuc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: mam_76 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: MBpoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Smiffy44 collected $127
Seat 6: determine (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Ste181118 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: stormwind (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bananamoz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: fudgy123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
This is shithouse because I just don't think anyone folds JJ+ there with your image. Playing like that he has to have AK or AQ and probably no diamond.

But I'll assume your read is right; what if one of the Js is on suit he'll probably shove it. If you're gonna fold to a shove then the turn raise REALLY sux because if AK with the A diamond comes over the top of you what are you gonna do? Your best value attempt is calling and seeing a showdown. If you have A8 this becomes defensible, but then I can't justify calling the flop. Perhaps if I had 9J for a gutshot on the flop and called it I'd like the turn raise.

What you're saying is "I think he's so tightshit he'll probably fold KK with one diamond and definitely AK with one diamond" but I just can't see this being the case