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    Default A bluff gone bad...

    Why did I do this? I had been C-Betting a lot, so I put them on something like a QJ, or QT, so I went for it. Just so happens it was a $$ flop for them! Oucherz... way to ruin a session!
    PokerStars Game #25630201052: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/03/05 12:09:15 ET
    Table 'Euterpe' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: BigMEarth ($35.55 in chips)
    Seat 2: CBat28 ($44.80 in chips)
    Seat 3: stef 179 ($25 in chips)
    Seat 4: Kinneging ($28.50 in chips)
    Seat 5: yuki921 ($26 in chips)
    Seat 6: Janv65 ($75.85 in chips)
    CBat28: posts small blind $0.10
    stef 179: posts big blind $0.25
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to CBat28 [Ah 7h]
    Kinneging: folds
    yuki921: folds
    Janv65: folds
    BigMEarth: raises $0.50 to $0.75
    CBat28: raises $1.25 to $2
    stef 179: folds
    BigMEarth: calls $1.25
    *** FLOP *** [Jd Th 3s]
    CBat28: bets $2.50
    BigMEarth: raises $3.50 to $6
    CBat28: raises $36.80 to $42.80 and is all-in
    BigMEarth: calls $27.55 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet ($9.25) returned to CBat28
    *** TURN *** [Jd Th 3s] [8s]
    *** RIVER *** [Jd Th 3s 8s] [Ks]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    CBat28: shows [Ah 7h] (high card Ace)
    BigMEarth: shows [3d 3c] (three of a kind, Threes)
    BigMEarth collected $68.35 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $71.35 | Rake $3
    Board [Jd Th 3s 8s Ks]
    Seat 1: BigMEarth (button) showed [3d 3c] and won ($68.35) with three of a kind, Threes
    Seat 2: CBat28 (small blind) showed [Ah 7h] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 3: stef 179 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: Kinneging folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: yuki921 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Janv65 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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    Ouch...now that it's happened, I guess the only thing you can do is use it as a lesson and never do it again!
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    why would you put him on 2 hands?
    1010, JJ, sometimes 33 are in his range as are a ton of other hands.

    you shouldnt just decide, he might have xy, and he'll fold. you need to take into account his entire range, and then work out if your flop vaise makes him fold enough for it to be profitable.
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    Your 3b preflop is too small
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzzard
    Your 3b preflop is too small
    I agree 100%

    Quote Originally Posted by sil693
    why would you put him on 2 hands?
    1010, JJ, sometimes 33 are in his range as are a ton of other hands.

    you shouldnt just decide, he might have xy, and he'll fold. you need to take into account his entire range, and then work out if your flop vaise makes him fold enough for it to be profitable.
    I was being an idiot. I basically just wanted to post this so I'd remember not to do something stupid like this again.
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    Oh man I'm so sorry that happened. That must have been rough. Anyways, thanks for posting it.
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    If I bet as a bluff, I should be thinking "am I getting better hands to fold? Is it likely that he will fold x% of the time to a y sized bet to make it +EV?". If I bet for value, I should be thinking "am I getting worst hands to call? Am I ahead of enough of his range that this is a good value bet?".
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    Also, what makes you think they're capable of folding TP3rdK?
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    Not bluffing in big pots at micro stakes is a really good idea.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    If you've been c-betting alot and have a bit of a bluffy image, I don't think it's a good idea to be making a naked bluff here after facing resistance. It's also tough to get someone to fold on a JTx flop because it hits so many raise-worthy hands.

    I also want to say something about balance but I'm not sure about my thoughts on it so perhaps someone else can mention a bit on that topic.
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    People at micro stakes arent playing back. They're waiting to make a hand and stack you.
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    Don't 3bet this pre unless you have a read.

    Fold to the flop raise for fucks sake.

    This really seems like it should be in Tilt. You played a hand terribly and lost, boo hoo.

    If I ever put a villain on TP (any kicker) at 25NL, I immediately give up trying to win the hand. If I put them on 2nd pair sometimes, maybe, I consider trying to push them off, but I usually like a scary card to fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjsaust
    Not bluffing in big pots at micro stakes is a really good idea.
    ^ this.
    If I can remeber this, my win rate would be much larger than it is. I understand you were screaming "fold equity" when you reraised flop, but you just look so crushed there.

    Usually I get get to fire 3 streets with my bluffs against the stations .
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    Preflop looks pretty bad. Don't 3bet a hand like Axs when you are going to be OOP. Also make it more to go please. As played, his range is going to be super tight in a 3bet pot and this is just spew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjbish
    Quote Originally Posted by bjsaust
    Not bluffing in big pots at micro stakes is a really good idea.
    ^ this.
    If I can remeber this, my win rate would be much larger than it is. I understand you were screaming "fold equity" when you reraised flop, but you just look so crushed there.

    Usually I get get to fire 3 streets with my bluffs against the stations .
    Don't bluff the unbluffable! That's what I try to tell myself. Yet I still try to bluff them and end up barrelling too many times! Remember, they will pay you off when you have it! And remember, they will take your money when you don't have it!
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    Sometimes we need to stack off a few times in some dumbs spots before cliches like 'don't bluff the station' actually sink in.

    I'm guilty of this too.
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    I bluff to good results in micro stakes a lot. Although you need to pick your spots. I hate to see stuff like this. Makes me nervous.
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    Bluffing when facing resistance is my biggest leak at the moment. Followed by not folding top pair quickly enough in limped pots. I'd like to think I'm starting to remember it though
    The poker gods love me really, they are just testing my faith !

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