Best stakes to play at for new player

I have a 50 bankroll. at PS
33 at UB which is slowly rising
should i add more money or would it be a better idea to grind up to decent levels where the rake becomes less of an issue.
Bear in mind I also have a 30% rakeback at UB.

Either site is fine since they both have $2NL/$5NL. RB at UB will be better even if it is only a couple bucks a month, do a search on Bankroll management here, there have been some great discussions of late. play the $2NL games.

If you can deposit more money, that would be fine too. $10NL is probably similar to $2NL, but you should probably have $250 to $400 for it (depending on how conservative you need to be with your bankroll).

Originally Posted by courtiebee

If you can deposit more money, that would be fine too. $10NL is probably similar to $2NL, but you should probably have $250 to $400 for it (depending on how conservative you need to be with your bankroll).

I don't think this is completely true anymore. 10nl is definitely harder than 2nl nowadays, but it also probably depends on the site. Perhaps a minor detail for non-beginners, but I think it's worth mentioning here.

Either way, I think you should play 2nl and start developing your game. Start learning about pot odds, starting hand requirements and other basics of no limit hold'em and you'll start making money pretty quickly.

Also, and this is very important, keep up with your sessions in a spreadsheet. If you don't have one make one at http://docs.google.com (a free Google service for online spreadsheet editing that requires no software) or download OpenOffice (search for it and you'll find it pretty fast). In that spreadsheet you want to be keeping up with how many hands you're playing and what your +/- profit is. From this information you can calculate your win-rate in bb/100 (big blinds per 100 hands) and the people here in this forum can help you decide when you are ready.

10NL on stars is much tighter postflop these days. Far fewer people calling all the way down with TPWK.

Play 2nl and grind. It'll keep you humble, it'll help you learn at a limit where you should win, and the swings will hurt a lot less.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Originally Posted by courtiebee

If you can deposit more money, that would be fine too. $10NL is probably similar to $2NL, but you should probably have $250 to $400 for it (depending on how conservative you need to be with your bankroll).

I don't think this is completely true anymore. 10nl is definitely harder than 2nl nowadays, but it also probably depends on the site. Perhaps a minor detail for non-beginners, but I think it's worth mentioning here.

I believe there are some significant differences at UB between NL2, NL10 and NL25, the only limits I've played. NL2 is "no foldem holdem." No bluff works, so be ready to show down the nuts. NL10 has enough stacking off with TPWK to make it profitable, but some decent play. A nitty ABC poker style is successful there for me right now.

That being said, NL2 is where you should start w/ a small roll, and the game is beatable. Just don't think that there's no difference in skill level, 'cuz there's enough to make the difference between winning and losing imo.

Originally Posted by Pelion

10NL on stars is much tighter postflop these days. Far fewer people calling all the way down with TPWK.

That is really sad. When is the US and China going to go ahead and legalize gambling? ASAP would be nice.

Originally Posted by meeloche

Originally Posted by Pelion

10NL on stars is much tighter postflop these days. Far fewer people calling all the way down with TPWK.

That is really sad. When is the US and China going to go ahead and legalize gambling? ASAP would be nice.

No shit. Btw nice avatar.

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Originally Posted by Pelion

10NL on stars is much tighter postflop these days. Far fewer people calling all the way down with TPWK.

i call down with tpwk all the time.

no scratch that, make it like 2nd or 3rd pair

Originally Posted by Lukie

Originally Posted by Pelion

10NL on stars is much tighter postflop these days. Far fewer people calling all the way down with TPWK.

i call down with tpwk all the time.

no scratch that, make it like ace or king high

Fixed it for ya

Originally Posted by Pelion

10NL on stars is much tighter postflop these days. Far fewer people calling all the way down with TPWK.

lol ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Poor, poor USA people. I remember playing 2NL and it was like playmoney, and I remember playing 10NL and having 50% of the player pool call down with any pair.

Originally Posted by Ash256

Originally Posted by Pelion

10NL on stars is much tighter postflop these days. Far fewer people calling all the way down with TPWK.

lol ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Poor, poor USA people. I remember playing 2NL and it was like playmoney, and I remember playing 10NL and having 50% of the player pool call down with any pair.

I remember about a year ago, I was ghosting an irl friend while he was 4-tabling NL10. There were a lot of multitabling regs, and alot of them were the 11/5 set camping, uber-weak tight nits (and this was 6max). I was actually kind of surprised. Still a profitable player to play against obviously, but nothing like the whale with a vpip > 50 that calls down any piece...

I remember about a year ago, I was ghosting an irl friend while he was 4-tabling NL10. There were a lot of multitabling regs, and alot of them were the 11/5 set camping, uber-weak tight nits (and this was 6max). I was actually kind of surprised. Still a profitable player to play against obviously, but nothing like the whale with a vpip > 50 that calls down any piece...

SInce I'm rebuilding again on 10NL, I noticed this trend...they either make abysmal calls or abysmal folds. And they are still ATM's, because their game is grossly unbalanced.

This is my recent hand from 5max 10NL :

UTG opens for $0.5, donkish leaky player pops to $1, I see QQ in hole and make it $2.5. UTG folds, leaky player calls and checks QT5 board. I bet half pot ($2.6), he types in chatbox "KQ" and mucks.

Another 10NL hand (fullring):

I open UTG with AK 4x, UTG+2 calls and rest folds.
Flop QTT. Check/check
Turn blank, I bet 0.7, he minraises to 1.4, I make it $3.5.
He tanks, types "QQ? i have AQ" and mucks.

Multi-tabling fucks up online poker.

It makes playing absurdly tight possible for people who would otherwise lack the discipline.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Multi-tabling fucks up online poker.

It makes playing absurdly tight possible for people who would otherwise lack the discipline.

I find being card-dead for an hour live puts me on life tilt.

How do you feel about multitabling bots turning up at your local game?