Being Doyle

Trying to crank up my aggression...how's my line? Opponent is sLAP...

***** Pacific Hand History for Game 124710871 *****
$0.25/$0.5 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - *** 07 12 22:44:58 2006
Table La Perla Habana (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 10: mbenny11 ( $56.94 )
Seat 1: Msaxton ( $33.37 )
Seat 2: TheShizl ( $48.85 )
Seat 3: LG33 ( $32.7 )
Seat 4: badman21 ( $45.75 )
Seat 6: ussffg58 ( $49.45 )
Seat 7: TDUB1213 ( $38.4 )
Seat 8: Chi-Kid ( $46.25 )
Seat 9: kntryboy ( $48.55 )
ussffg58 posts small blind [$0.25].
TDUB1213 posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Chi-Kid [ Qc Ac ]
Chi-Kid raises [$1].
kntryboy folds.
mbenny11 folds.
Msaxton folds.
TheShizl folds.
LG33 folds.
badman21 folds.
ussffg58 folds.
TDUB1213 calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 9c, 4c ]
TDUB1213 checks.
Chi-Kid bets [$2].
TDUB1213 calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
TDUB1213 checks.
Chi-Kid bets [$4].
TDUB1213 raises [$12].
Chi-Kid raises [$39.25].

doyle doesnt even play AQ

min raise preflop
is this cranking up aggression?
even if you are utg

i don't know the answer, i'm just asking

You're aggression should be the highest on the flop and decrease on the turn and again on the river.

there's upping your agression, then there's straight up spewing.

This is the latter.

most of the time your behind and he's calling

Did you think of the range he checkraises with on the turn before you shoved all the chips into the middle?

You've got a free card to complete the flush. Take it.

Originally Posted by arkana

Did you think of the range he checkraises with on the turn before you shoved all the chips into the middle?

This was the biggest concern of mine. While Doyle does like to push with draws, you have to consider ops hands and your fold equity after his reraise combined with probability of having best hand right now or hitting flush. That's usually what constitutes the Doyle push and I don't think the conditions are right.

Originally Posted by FlopTurnThenRivered

You've got a free card to complete the flush. Take it.

Nothing wrong with building a pot.

Doyle doesn't like hands like AQ (that are possibly dominated) in full ring. Still, isn't the whole point of Doyle's play style is that he's willing to push in situations like this where he's likely behind because he's made up for it with all the times this type of aggression results in the opponent folding? Though in this circumstance he says something like, "My opponent knows that if he check raises me and I have anything at all any draw, anything, both our chips are going into the pile."

As played, I'd (unaggressively) have just called the c/r and tried to get it all in if I hit my flush (or got a Q).

I got told once that in the lower limits ($50NL is at the top end of this) that if someone re-reaises you, you are probably beaten. I've been hurt like this before and it took 100 lines to fix.

I know it's your game and all, but I'd agree with the general comments about AQ being too easily dominated. a 2xBB raise is just too small for me. 4x maybe for me and then be happy with the blinds if everyone folded. as it is, you gave the a chance to get in the action for 50c (what, just over 4:1?). I'd have called your raise with just about any pocket pair short of TT for that sort of raise.

Other than that, I'm not loving your position, but you can't change what you have been dealt or when.

What happened?

Wouldn't doyle push all in on the flop w/ his draw?

i'm pretty sure doyle's push-happy ways were reserved for the flop after being c/r'ed. as for your hand....

pre-flop - ah whatever. raise however much you want. i don't really care. your minraise got the job done. fwiw many times i fold AQ in that early of position.

flop - fine

turn - i don't mind the bet. after he raises though think about his line so far...call / check-call / check-raise...does this look familiar? this is a pretty common set line. call or fold is WAY better than your big re-raise.

my turn and flop aggro are high my river aggro is half those values.

Originally Posted by Lukie

there's upping your agression, then there's straight up spewing.

This is the latter.

I didn't see suits when I made this comment, didn't realize we had the nut flush draw.



I think calling is overwhelmingly the best play here to be honest.

Originally Posted by siknd

doyle doesnt even play AQ

this just isn't true. at all. not sure if my sarcasm detector needs fixing or not.

Originally Posted by bigred

Originally Posted by arkana

Did you think of the range he checkraises with on the turn before you shoved all the chips into the middle?

This was the biggest concern of mine. While Doyle does like to push with draws, you have to consider ops hands and your fold equity after his reraise combined with probability of having best hand right now or hitting flush. That's usually what constitutes the Doyle push and I don't think the conditions are right.

i agree

Originally Posted by FlopTurnThenRivered

You've got a free card to complete the flush. Take it.

Nothing wrong with building a pot.[/quote]
going allin on the turn with a draw that is crushed sucks.

Originally Posted by dwags222

Wouldn't doyle push all in on the flop w/ his draw?

There's $2 in the pot and 20x that behind in effective stacks.

no.

Doyle was talking about when he played high-stakes cash games against players who were decent players but too tight and playing with scared money. This doesn't work well against the shitty, predictable 50NL players who don't raise unless they have the nuts.

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Doyle was talking about when he played high-stakes cash games against players who were decent players but too tight and playing with scared money. This doesn't work well against the shitty, predictable 50NL players who don't raise unless they have the nuts.

I know what you're referring to, but I think it had more to do with calling raises with AQ and/or playing big pots with it with only 1 pair. A lot of tight players will fold AQ here UTG in full ring, even suited, but at this level a raise the best play IMO. AQs is just too good to throw away. A bigger raise is strongly preferable, obviously.

Originally Posted by Lukie

Originally Posted by siknd

doyle doesnt even play AQ

this just isn't true. at all. not sure if my sarcasm detector needs fixing or not.

I think it is because I find this hilarious.

I dont think his style works as well online as in live games because you are frequently up against so many unknowns that arent even paying attention to how you are playing. You could be facing one set of opponents this hand and 5 hands later be up against an entirely new set.

Maybe if it was someone you run into regularly and you wanted to put fear into them so they dont check raise you so much, then it would fit his approach more. However if you do this alot and lose a bunch of pots they'll probably be more inclined to check raise you knowing you'll get it in with the worst hand