Beating the Game

I see a lot of posts and interviews by pros and other players saying that they are beating the cash game or limit that they are playing at. I have been a SNG grinder and have beating them for 20% ROI on Stars up to $22 limit, but I have been wanting to branch out into more NL cash. I have started playing NL25 2-3 tabling making about 6-10 an hour over 20000 some hands between full ring and 6-max.

I am curious as to everybodys thoughts on these to questions?

1. What bb/100 or avg. per hour would be considered beating a 6-max or full ring game?

2. If bankroll is not a factor, how long should you be beating game to move up (number of hands or months)?

I know many pro's suggest about 30 buyins for a level, but if that is the case I shoud be playing at least 2/4 NL.

I'm sure other might have similiar questions and any suggestions would be appreciated.

What do you mean "if bankroll is not a factor"? Variance will always be there and if you move-up without the required bankroll, no matter how good you are, you will get raped.

Originally Posted by Armlock

I am curious as to everybodys thoughts on these to questions?

1. What bb/100 or avg. per hour would be considered beating a 6-max or full ring game?

2. If bankroll is not a factor, how long should you be beating game to move up (number of hands or months)?

I know many pro's suggest about 30 buyins for a level, but if that is the case I shoud be playing at least 2/4 NL.

I'm sure other might have similiar questions and any suggestions would be appreciated.

1. Anything + is winning. Especially with rakeback, any profit is good.

2. The received wisdom is that playing up to $100NL is fairly "straightforward" and so moving up is more or less bankroll related. If you're happy playing at $100NL then do it if you've got 20-30BI.

Be ready to move down if you're lacking in experience at cash games. It's cheaper to plug leaks lower down.

Playing mid-stakes would probably be overly ambitious. But if you're winning or break-even at $100NL for a few k hands then take a shot and see what happens.

1. .000000000001bb/100 is beating the game. Won't feel like it though. A good, normal winrate is 5-15bb/100.

2. If I could afford it, I would start at 100NL. As far as moving up, I would think 10K hands at every limit showing a winner would be plenty to be very confident in my move up to the next limit, but basically however many hands you need to convince yourself.