BC Quick Check

This thread is for quick line checks. This isn't for long analysis just a quick, looks good or 3b to $11. Fwiw $10 is the correct size here but it's just an example.

Button ($76.40)
Hero (SB) ($100)
BB ($100)
UTG ($90.15)
MP1 ($213.35)
MP2 ($100)
CO ($108.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
2 folds, MP2 bets $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $25, Hero raises to $100 (All-In), MP2 calls $75 (All-In)


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I probably call somewhere

Call the 4bet

I reckon villain has A2s, so shove, the muppet will call.

Seriously though, we still need reads...

Guy is 18/14 over 80 hands, 10% (1/10) 3bet, seen him on other tables. UTG is unknown.

4bet to $2.60 ok? Don't really like flatting since we'll be oop 3 way and their ranges should be stronger than average in this spot.

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Button ($9.19)
Hero (SB) ($10)
BB ($7.97)
UTG ($9.68)
MP ($10.15)
CO ($8)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
UTG bets $0.40, MP raises to $1.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to ????????

$2.20 - $2.30

Originally Posted by bikes

$2.20 - $2.30

I am interested in why this is the correct size, or in a post/thread/article talking about 3/4b sizing? Same question for your OP.

AA - I like $2.45
QQ - time to give up on that turn
86 - bet-fold about $1.45

Originally Posted by daviddem

I am interested in why this is the correct size, or in a post/thread/article talking about 3/4b sizing? Same question for your OP.

because we want him to continue pre with his entire range. regardless of position, AA with this small of spr and these strong of ranges is pretty much invulnerable. might go a tad bigger with KK

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UTG ($5.87)
UTG+1 ($9.44)
MP1 ($8.23)
MP2 ($11.10)
MP3 ($12.75)
CO ($11.27)
BTN ($10)
SB ($3.74)
kickass (BB) ($10.88)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 9 players) kickass is BB
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 6 folds, kickass raises to $0.40, UTG+1 calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85, 2 players)
kickass bets $0.60, UTG+1 calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.05, 2 players)
kickass ($9.88)?

what now? villain is 16/6 over 100ish hands nothing specific on him i don't remember him , just sat down at the table this is my 2nd orbit the flop smashes right into what i imagine him to be limp calling

c/f turn
c/f river

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UTG ($5.39)
UTG+1 ($10.89)
MP1 ($7.08)
MP2 ($10.60)
MP3 ($14.13)
CO ($11.10)
BTN ($10)
SB ($3.44)
kickass (BB) ($10.25)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 9 players) kickass is BB
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 6 folds, kickass checks

Flop: ($0.25, 2 players)
kickass bets $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.65, 2 players)
kickass bets $0.60, UTG+1 calls $0.60

River: ($1.85, 2 players)
kickass ($9.35)?


same vilain

c/f turn done and done glad to know

b/f one dolla tirdy fiv o so

went for 1 dollar bet fold he called showed up with QT clubs note taken original limping range stretched a little

Originally Posted by bikes

This thread is for quick line checks. This isn't for long analysis just a quick, looks good or 3b to $11. Fwiw $10 is the correct size here but it's just an example.

Button ($76.40)
Hero (SB) ($100)
BB ($100)
UTG ($90.15)
MP1 ($213.35)
MP2 ($100)
CO ($108.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
2 folds, MP2 bets $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $25, Hero raises to $100 (All-In), MP2 calls $75 (All-In)


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Looks good I put him on A2s!

villain 50-20, we've obviously been getting involved some. Table isn't noticing cos blind nits etc.
I stacked him once already AK>A7
pot?
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CO ($50)
Button ($52.10)
SB ($18.25)
BB ($58)
UTG ($159.30)
Hero (MP) ($104.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, Q
UTG calls $0.50, Hero bets $2.25, 4 folds, UTG calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.25) 10, K, A (2 players)
UTG checks,

probably pot pot jam

and one of my favorite tricks was if he snap calls the flop, to snap pot and snap jam river, don't give him time to think

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

probably pot pot jam

and one of my favorite tricks was if he snap calls the flop, to snap pot and snap jam river, don't give him time to think

get him on a roll, i like.


villain is probably really bad, but lol 1 orbit sample size
flop sizing good or terrible?
trigger on the turn?

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UTG ($55.75)
UTG+1 ($61.75)
MP1 ($24.25)
MP2 ($72.10)
MP3 ($50)
CO ($56.45)
Hero (Button) ($50)
SB ($47.55)
BB ($77.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, 10
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero bets $2.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1.75, MP1 calls $1.75

Flop: ($7) 6, 7, 8 (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $4, 1 fold, MP1 calls $4

Turn: ($15) 4 (2 players)
MP1 checks, trigger time?

@daven

Cbet of $6 seems good as does shoving the turn.

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Stacks:
UTG ($16.51)
UTG+1 ($6.16)
MP1 ($3.40)
MP2 ($10.93)
CO ($10.30)
kickass (BTN) ($10.32)
SB ($16.50)
BB ($10)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 8 players) kickass is BTN
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 3 folds, kickass raises to $0.40, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.30, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, kickass bets $1.30, SB calls $1.30, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($3.90, 2 players)
SB checks, kickass ($8.62)?

3rd hand at table limper is known 31/8 loose passive likes to see flops, obvious iso with AQ, SB is complete unknown

i think i b/f $2

i went for b/f 2.6 he called and jammed 3s river nehmind.

Daven, I'd bet flop a bit bigger just make jamming the turn easier, probably $5-6, folding to a c/r from either player. I'm not too concerned with him a having a lot of 5's in his range, but its kind of an interesting spot since I expect him to show up with a set here at least some of the time.

I guess he could be l/c Ax, Kxs, Qxs? I feel like jamming the turn is really really thin, but I don't really know what other line to take? I don't like b/f since he can spazz with like pair + draw, FD, 6x-8x, etc. But bet/call feels pretty nasty too since 44, 66-88. Idk, I'd probably ship in game and forget about the hand as soon as I did it to avoid tilt when he shows me 64o lol.

@ kickass

Bet/folding $2 is too small, if you going to go for a b/f, you want to make it look like a solid value bet since people (even fish) are more prone to playing back vs smaller bet sizes. 2.60 is good, 3-3.25 would be better.

It just looks like you're trying to get some really solid value out of your hand and (most) villains aren't going to be playing back with air into what appears to be strength.

Also, ty for this bikes, will be using this fairly frequently unless one opens up in the FR forum.

utg is tag reg like 24/20 over 20 hands or something
no history vs him
other guy is random drooler like 80/0 over 20
lolsizing? turn too thin? now i kinda wanna puke
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Hero (Button) ($28.78)
SB ($20.86)
BB ($25)
UTG ($26.46)
MP ($7.71)
CO ($52.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, Q
UTG bets $0.85, MP calls $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($7.20) 7, 10, K (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.75, UTG calls $3.75

Turn: ($14.70) 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $6.75, UTG raises to $19.71 (All-In), Hero calls $12.96

River: ($54.12) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $54.12 | Rake: $2.70

turn sizing is wtf.

how much bigger do u make it?

about $8.25 i don't ever want him to fold his QQd or JJd on the river and 4:1 is just fml i guess i call.

these should be his most likely hands, but i have no idea how games on AP play. he may not even have them.

i guess i was thinking that i would be able to get another street from QQ/JJ no FD significantly more often and wasn't really worried about building the pot to give better odds on the river if i did go for another street. i guess i should just give up trying to price in those non FD QQ/JJ hands because it's not like hes necessarily calling such a small bet with them anyway.

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MP ($25.35)
CO ($19.07)
Hero (Button) ($26.60)
SB ($32.50)
BB ($49.64)
UTG ($22.87)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, J
UTG bets $0.75, MP calls $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.60) 3, 3, A (3 players)
UTG bets $2, MP calls $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($8.60) 7 (3 players)
UTG bets $6, MP calls $6,

all in

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Stacks:
UTG ($27.96)
UTG+1 ($12.89)
MP1 ($7.91)
MP2 ($10.51)
MP3 ($7.31)
CO ($20.90)
BTN ($10)
kickass (SB) ($10)
BB ($10)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 9 players) kickass is SB
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.65, 1 fold, kickass raises to $1.90, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $1.80, CO calls $1.25

Flop: ($6, 3 players)
kickass ($8.1)?


2nd hand of the whole session just sat down AA nice...nice big 4 bet try and get stacks in nobody know me i don't know anybody..... WTF 2 callers limp called 4 bet who the fuck is this guy.
just shove the flop hope somebody hit it or is fishy enough to call

its not a 4b and 2 people didn't limp call it, only 1 did. you could shove or gaybet flop shove turn because of how dry it is, i don't really think any way you play it after the flop is going to make you much more money than any other way

checkkkkkk AA not close

I'm reading this, and playing this hand at the same time. Checking flop in way ahead/way behind situations gets super weak call downs. 3bet pot, so it's still easy to get stacks in on turn and river. It's also nice to balance your delay cbet range too.


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CO ($16.53)
Hero (Button) ($25)
SB ($27.81)
BB ($20.11)
UTG ($26.55)
MP ($28.06)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, A
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero bets $1.10, 2 folds, MP calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.55) 10, A, A (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.55) 9 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.75, MP calls $1.75

River: ($6.05) A (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $5, MP calls $5

Total pot: $16.05 | Rake: $0.80

Results:
Hero had 10, A (four of a kind, Aces).
MP had Q, K (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $15.25

dont check flop

Originally Posted by bikes

dont check flop

reason?

I fold out just about everything with a bet. Or will pocket pairs come a long anyway? I feel that any PP gets pretty comfy after I don't bet, and will be more likely to call two streets.

Of course a K Q J would kill any action from a lower PP.

Pretty unlikely to get counter-fitted.

Thanks Bikes, now you got me talking to myself.

kickass bet like $1.75 (obv calling a jam)

bet bet jam in the AT hand

I like a gross overbet on the river as played. Like $8 or something.

Otherwise just bet/bet/bet because its going to be a lot more profitable in the long run.

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saw flop

Hero (BB) ($35.68)
UTG ($43.73)
UTG+1 ($29.95)
MP1 ($110.86)
MP2 ($12.07)
MP3 ($56.46)
CO ($31.12)
Button ($25.91)
SB ($14.47)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
4 folds, MP3 bets $0.75, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, MP3 calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.10) 10, J, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $2.56, MP3 calls $2.56

Turn: ($10.22) 6 (2 players)

Total pot: $10.22

Villain is 13/11, 76% fold to 3bet over 402 hands.

Thoughts on line for entire hand appreciated.

bet again

THOUGHTS ON THE ENTIRE HAND, flop-river please.

Are you bet/folding turn and river?

Bet/folding flop?

bet/fold flop and turn, c/c river? c/f? Clearly card dependent, but what cards are you barreling, checking, etc. This is a spot where I always feel disgusting.

Originally Posted by Roid_Rage

THOUGHTS ON THE ENTIRE HAND, flop-river please.

Are you bet/folding turn and river?

Bet/folding flop?

bet/fold flop and turn, c/c river? c/f? Clearly card dependent, but what cards are you barreling, checking, etc. This is a spot where I always feel disgusting.

what part of answering this falls under the umbrella of "quick check" lol.

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UTG ($5.75)
UTG+1 ($2.70)
kickass (CO) ($5.07)
BTN ($8.72)
SB ($5.09)
BB ($5)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) kickass is CO
2 folds, kickass raises to $0.15, BTN raises to $0.52, 2 folds, kickass calls $0.37

Flop: ($1.11, 2 players)
kickass checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.11, 2 players)
kickass bets $0.85, BTN calls $0.85

River: ($2.81, 2 players)
kickass ($3.7)?


without reads what do I do here.... any idea on his range? I don't play 6 max usually he is 22 /14 mostly late position raising/stealing. its this guys first 3 bet. what doesn't he c bet this flop with?

Villian is 16/2 with 0% Steals and 0% 3bet over 250 hands. I guess we should give him credit when he bets.

He limp/3bets PF. His range may be a bit wide due to him being short. I'd still put him on QQ+, AK. So, we should?

0) Fold
1) 4bet to around 2.20-2.50 and fold to a shove.
2) He's shortstacked, so just shove.

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MP1 ($9.35)
MP2 ($5.70)
CO ($9.69)
Button ($4.77)
Hero (SB) ($9)
BB ($8.98)
UTG ($10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1, Hero ???

don't 4bet/fold whatever you do. in fact don't 4bet unless you want the money in.

All in.

Originally Posted by bikes

All in.

Thx. That's what I did.

shove and wait

p2w obv shoves are obvious....maybe if he was 3betting and some other 0/0 over 1000 4bet shoves i could find a fold, idk

and @ kickass...id check/eval leaning towards folding tbh. Say hes 3betting 99+ AQ+ with some random A5s KJo bluffs thrown in or w/e.

KJo is like the only hand we can get value from on the river. All his pp's are either sets or bigger than ours...He's not calling a bet with A-high, but he could have some flushes. If you think he is turning enough hands into a bluff given our FOS line then we have a good bluff catcher.

kickass $.85/f

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UTG ($8.20)
kickass (UTG+1) ($10)
MP1 ($11.61)
MP2 ($10.16)
MP3 ($7.33)
CO ($10)
BTN ($6.95)
SB ($5.95)
BB ($4.25)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 9 players) kickass is UTG+1
1 fold, kickass raises to $0.30, MP1 calls $0.30, 6 folds

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players)
kickass bets $0.50, MP1 raises to $2.25, $1.75 to kickass ($9.2)?


no reads or stats. rush. maybe timing tells though snap called pre fast as fuck snap raised on the flop. you fold here? call fold turn to shove? call shove? lead turn?

call call call

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BB ($10)
UTG ($10.34)
Hero (Button) ($11.17)
SB ($10.58)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A
1 fold, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.90) K, 3, 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, SB calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.30) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.50

River: ($5.30) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ?????

77/25 over 40 hands, 1/3 fold to cbet.

This guy's shaping up to be a pretty big fish, should I just pot/overbet flop and pot turn to get all the money in by the river (assuming decent runout) or bet like I did to widen his overall calling range on both streets?

As played what's the plan on the river? Shove/ b/f smallish/check.

I'd bet like 3ish and almost never expect to be shoved on ever.

I'm bet/calling for like 3.50-4.50 here. If the fish has the FH, csb.

Edit: Definitely leading towards the larger end of the spectrum here since he's going to call down with any Kx, probably TT, QQ, TJ, QJ, ummm he's more than likely jamming FDs on you so you can't really bet/fold here since:

KK = 1 combo
JJ = 3 combos
33 = 1
99 = 3
Flushes = a lot. :P

bet/fistpumpsnapgetitin

I don't even mind a bet of like $6 here just to get that much more value out of his one/two pair hands.

more on turn a little less than pot on river

$2.99/fold

Really spenda? Reasoning why?

why the fold or why the sizing?

I'd expect to get jammed over a very small % of the time, he'll probably call us every now and then with a better hand though, but the majority of the time he calls we'll ship it, and he's never c/bluffshoving here nor is he jamming like KQ for value or something silly like that.

oic nevermind, I thought we had the nut flush.


<- hand reading fail.

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SB ($6.13)
Hero (BB) ($11.47)
UTG ($14.95)
MP ($9.85)
CO ($7.85)
Button ($2.69)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
UTG bets $0.40, MP calls $0.40, 1 fold, Button calls $0.40, 1 fold
Hero raises to ???????

UTG looks like an aggro whale so far and should call very wide to my 3bet. Others are 19/0 and 23/20 over 40 hands.

What's our 3bet sizing bearing in mind BTN only has 23BB left behind?

I would just do a standard 3.5-4X 3bet. If UTG is aggro, he may 4bet it. Btn is likely to fold or shove. So if you don't want to build a big pot with a speculative hand, you might want to just call and see a cheap flop. If you hit a good flop, just let the aggro whale value-town himself. If you miss the flop then you can get out cheap.

i probably pop it to like $2

$1.70 with AK

Originally Posted by bikes

$1.70 with AK

~4x seems relatively small when there have been two flat-callers and we are out of position 100% postflop. do you choose this size because we want to encourage dominated Ax hands to continue? what is your reasoning for preferring 1.7 over 2.2 (or any arbitrarily chosen >5x sizing)

Opp was 13/8 over a small sample, ~40 hands.


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Stacks:
UTG eugmac ($3.55)
UTG+1 Parenel ($2.03)
MP1 Abanshin ($4.44)
MP2 jksever ($2)
CO harrymouse18 ($2.17)
BTN cenko83 ($1.58)
SB slash hpr ($2.45)
BB liuyu8125 ($1.50)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 8 players) eugmac is UTG
eugmac raises to $0.08, 2 folds, jksever calls $0.08, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.19, 2 players)
eugmac bets $0.16, jksever calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.51, 2 players)
eugmac bets $0.44, jksever raises to $1.02, eugmac folds

Final Pot: $1.97

jksever wins $1.88 (net +$0.62)

eugmac lost $0.68

^ wp

edit: ^ wp *imo*

One from this morning:

Villain is running 21/16, 3b PF 2 out of 30 (7%), very aggro. Small sample size for the 3b stat, but I think his range is much wider than JJ+, AK.

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Stacks:
UTG MRPokeeeer99 ($5.30)
UTG+1 slimjimpunx ($2.02)
MP bulldogx1 ($5.01)
CO eugmac ($2)
BTN DirkSchoen ($1.99)
SB maemoStar ($4.39)
BB Jokie707 ($2.02)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 7 players) eugmac is CO
3 folds, eugmac raises to $0.06, 1 fold, maemoStar raises to $0.20, 1 fold, eugmac calls $0.14

Flop: ($0.42, 2 players)
maemoStar checks, eugmac checks

Turn: ($0.42, 2 players)
maemoStar bets $0.30, eugmac calls $0.30

River: ($1.02, 2 players)
maemoStar bets $0.45, eugmac calls $0.45

I'd fold river

Originally Posted by kmind

I'd fold river

I change to call after rereading the board.

I wouldn't

wouldn't dream of folding the river ever

No way I'm folding this river