Quote Originally Posted by bjsaust
I dont think you determine ideal ranges sitting at the table cowboy, instead you work on your ranges away from the table and somewhat use the appropriate predetermined range to suit the situation.
I'm not sure I understand. How do you work on your ranges away from the table? Maybe I'm not thinking about this correctly?

Example of my thinking -- *Note: I play live rather than online* If I sit at a table and find that it's very loose, many players seeing the flop, i might open raise from EP/UTG with JJ+, AK and fold everything else. Likewise, if i sit and the table texture is excessively, ridiculously nitty, I might open raise any pp, AJs, KQs, AQ, AK and some lower scs and random crap for the hell of it from EP/UTG. And for all the games in between, my preflop ranges for EP play would be ideal somewhere in between. (We could even imagine a table full of legendary loose passives with deep stacks who will never ever bet but will call any bet made regardless of bet size or their holdings, in which case it would be ideal to limp ATC from any position preflop.)

The point is that in my understanding, your opponents (as well as your image established thus far) determines the range you should be playing. I recognize that this is problematic in that determining an ideal range for a situation is difficult and inexact. Also fairly unscientific if it's done in after sitting down.

But how do you work on your ranges ahead of time? Does it involve the HUD you online guys have on your opps (you determine roughly an opp's range from his vpip, pfr, aggro factor and thus determine what range beats him, playing to exploit the ranges of individual players situationally, sorta combining data on multiple opps to optimize your range in situations in which you have little information-- in other words when you're oop)? Am i still off base?

Not trying to argue, just don't understand quite how your bring your ranges to the table with you.