the avg hands do u like to raise with them k/j q/10 j/10

a/j a/q k/j k/10 q/j q/10 j/10 10/9 do you like to makes raise with them with limpers in the pot already...Im thinkin its alright but always gotta be careful because theres always that what if. i know more so with the a/q a/j make raises but when you start getting into the queens/10's etc with say 4 limpers in the pot form middle or late position its tough to judge. Front position is even nuts i guess i would just call with it from early positon and when at middle/late position it just depends on the feel of the table how its playing i suppose. Im a bit tired just got done from a freeroll outta 2275 i finished 14th ..wow am i beat Just curious how some of you guys play..


Stupid shit i did on the tourney a/q raise preflop got called a by a few a/j/rag comes off and then another jack now i wasn't very aggressive with the hand because of course i always think "he could have that jack" so it went to showdown lost a few g's.

2nd time i bet a ton with 9's which suck lol, i know why even make a raise with them just see the flop and if u hit a set great..if not fold and you loose no money

3rd which i lost was down to like 40k in chips in final 2 tables, was getting tired anxious (was on for liek 5-6 ) got dealt a 10/q went all in was called by pocket 10's. u know the rest



what i seem to be learning is when i semi bluff i usaly like to bet anywhere from 1/2 to 3/4 of the pot..then when im actually trying to bluff the pot with say a top pair like an ace with 2 jacks on board i should bet more then pot.


sorry bout the rambling just like to talk about poker , the more u read the better right... hah hopefully u can help me out and i can also add some insight on this forum....

T9 is not average. It's a monster.

If you can get in cheap in a multi way pot with these hands, just limp. Watch out for sets though.

-'rilla

The only hand that I would think about raising in that situation is AQ. I would probably limp with this hand too though unless I though I could get some people to fold with a smallish raise. Hands like KT and QT suck bad in these situations.

9/10 isn't a monster LOL unless u get a str8 others its complete garbage...ah i love some players


but yeah i like ur advice about limping etc

Originally Posted by ripjohngotti

9/10 isn't a monster LOL unless u get a str8 others its complete garbage...ah i love some players


but yeah i like ur advice about limping etc

I'll take people unaware of sarcasm for 400...Don't worry you'll get used to it. Welcome too.

Originally Posted by Lucid

The only hand that I would think about raising in that situation is AQ. I would probably limp with this hand too though unless I though I could get some people to fold with a smallish raise.

I remember the days when I never raised AQ, I win more pots now that I do raise wuth AQ.

o my bad hard to detect sarcasim on the net without a "lol" or some sort of smile after that...


so the next time u wanna be saracastic please make sure to use some form of saracastic "graphic" afterwards, thanks

.... you used a sarcastic graphic.... being sarcastic?

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its a knack i am developing as well
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Yeah hopefully ill be smart enuff , hah btw ur kid is cute

Thanks, thats actually my baby picture though
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wow played in a freeroll tonight, very loose tables has q/j q/j q/j k/10 so many fuckin hands and with 8other players i shoulda just folded, i cant stand the hands no more..so im goin so i get an a/j suited and my connection fucks up...then im like in middle positon person raises like 250 chips i got k/q suited, im down to like 1k in chips at this point so i was like whatever all in...u know he had the pocket aces hahaha, shoulda just called the raise...but i was pissed about hands...


so remmeber folks from my perspective in a big ass ring game, cards like q/j k/10 are pretty much shit and dont even deserve to be raised unless its late position and ur table image is really tight like mine and if theres a raise dont even call it why get urself in kicker trouble etc...

now to the k/q suited i still like it suited/unsuited just made a bad move o well


i guess these hands would fair a little better in 4-6 table players? or should u still just do like i said just like in 10 player games, because in 10 i know thats the right stragety...patience is key..bout what about in smaller games do the deserve to be raised? my perspective is if u raise and get reraised fold, and if u get called and flop nothing on the flop get out of that trap hand, be so careful if u flop a 10 because u may be in kicker trouble.....

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Originally Posted by Ripptyde

one word

ISOLATE

I don't give a flying fk if you are playing A/J or 7/4os.....raise and weed out the deadwood....then play the flop accordingly

i agree with u 110% bro, but i mean the hands are shit they dont even deserved to be raised and cant withstand a reraise...and if u do decide to raise them id only do it in late position...just really hard hands to play

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rippy i could not agree with you more. Kill the field, instead of getting 5-6 limpers raise 4-5x the BB and make it 1-2. If you miss the flop, fold, it seems like this is a dumb strat but when you do hit, you will most likely take down a huge pot. It sounds like to me your trying to MONEYMAKER it (hit the nuts and take down this huge gigantic pot and get rich doing it). When you play holdem your goal is to take down as many pots as you can, now how much money is in thoughs pots is up to you and how much you feel you want to bet. To me it seems like being passive and aggressive act the same but aggressive make the most money, they act the same in the fact that both rarely turn over a hand cause aggressive usually wins the pot and gets to throw the hand away after they drove all the opponents out. Passive rarely turns over a hand cause if they dont hit at least top pair they will usually fold and loose the pot. Be happy with taking down whats in the middle at the point of your battle. All thoughs small to medium pots add up to one big happy poker session. Moral of the story get furocious and violent when your in a hand, find out what your opponent doesnt want you to do, and do the opposite. Raise hands, remember the gap concept, opponents call call a raise with a lot less then they can raise with, so if you show strenght they're mediocore 65o might not was to call the raise.

Originally Posted by ripjohngotti

9/10 isn't a monster LOL unless u get a str8 others its complete garbage...ah i love some players


but yeah i like ur advice about limping etc

T9 just happens to be my hand. Make it of crubs and watch out. LOL! (Emoticon buffer)

-'rilla

In a 10 ring game if you are in late position, in tournements with say 4/5 limpers. If i make a raise most of them will call the bet. I still don't see why hands like q/10 k/10 should really be raised esp early in tournement when blinds are micro. I dont even like playing low pocket pairs early on it seems they never hit 88% that they don't. All of these hands are complete shit if you raise from first position and get reraised wtf are you gonna do? Do they stand a raise if there suited, i mean would you call?


These are the hands im most confused about sorry, post away...

AA and KK only

So what if you raise the hand and get 5 callers. When that happens you at least have a better grip on table image. It's loose man. Time to trap some busters. When the table is loose like this I play premium hands and drawing hands. Then again maybe it was just a strong deal. Raise again preflop next time you get one of these sub premium hands and see how many callers come in. You might be pleasantly surprised to find yourself isolated. If not then you gotta play the loose table against it's own grain. Fold those hands and then when it tightens up start gleefully isolating with them again if that's your fancy.

From the sounds of your situation it was just a loose table because it was a freeroll with new bad players. You can't chase the bad players out of a pot, you can only lose to them short term and win longterm when they chase enough ghosts.

Don't get mad, just adjust your game according to who your playing against. The higher the stakes, the better the isolation. It's whole different ball game. It took me a while to understand why great players don't like playing new players. I understand completely now. You can't outthink a sponge.

I usually limp cheap with these hands from late position, fold, or depending on the table I might raise a AQs. Is this too passive you think?

This weekend I lost quite large pots three times in half an hour with AQs hitting the ace and getting called all the way by AKo. I might stay away from AQ for a while...

i raise with 9 10 suited

Originally Posted by Borax

I usually limp cheap with these hands from late position, fold, or depending on the table I might raise a AQs. Is this too passive you think?

This weekend I lost quite large pots three times in half an hour with AQs hitting the ace and getting called all the way by AKo. I might stay away from AQ for a while...

In ring games (where I believe you play mostly, Borax...?), most of the hands listed in the title of the thread are limp/fold hands in my book. That's not too passive by any means - it's just good sense. Part of playing tight aggressive is playing tight. In many circumstances, that means you shouldn't be playing these hands at all (a raised pot preflop being one of those circumstances).

Running from AQ because you ran up against passive players holding AK is too passive, however (unless you're playing ilikeaces's stakes and his style).

The reason for raising in a tournament is to isolate an improve your chances of being the only one to hit a flop that you hit - thus helping to build a stack. In ring games you needn't do this because you can wait for better hands to come along.

- Jeffrey

I play lots of SNG's and in my experience play a little tight first orbit or two. After you have an idea of what players are weak. As Ryppy says ISOLATE. Even early you will be surprised. Play any cards you feel comfortable with. I play nearly any hand i like. The key is to RAISE PREFLOP. J3s, 78os, 27os I dont care isolate and dominate.

I remember the days when I never raised AQ, I win more pots now that I do raise wuth AQ.

I second that.
I used to limp with AQ, but I've ended more hands preflop and on the flop with that. I treat it the same as AK in most situations....