As6s worth as much as As2s

It seems there is a point of view that a hand of Ax2x is worth the same as Ax6x even though the latter has a higher kicker, and that Ax5x can sometimes be better because the straight draws are better.
Is that a reasonable idea?

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	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	57.452%  	39.89% 	17.56% 	     131140044 	 57739044.00   { A6s, A6o }
Hand 1: 	42.548%  	24.99% 	17.56% 	      82144236 	 57739044.00   { A5s, A5o }




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	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	56.001%  	34.53% 	21.48% 	     113506896 	 70604760.00   { A5s, A5o }
Hand 1: 	43.999%  	22.52% 	21.48% 	      74045952 	 70604760.00   { A2s, A2o }

This probably has no relation whatsoever to the ..... question you were asking, but there are situations in multi-table tournaments where you would be correct to push A5s and A4s but not AJo, nor any suited aces from A9s to A6s.

Specifically:
- Far from the money
- We are first to act (UTG) and our stack has a CSI (or M) of 7; meaning our stack has exactly 7 orbits worth of blinds and antes left in it.

We would push A5s but not A6s (or those other hands I mentioned)

Originally Posted by Penneywize

This probably has no relation whatsoever to the ..... question you were asking, but there are situations in multi-table tournaments where you would be correct to push A5s and A4s but not AJo, nor any suited aces from A9s to A6s.

Specifically:
- Far from the money
- We are first to act (UTG) and our stack has a CSI (or M) of 7; meaning our stack has exactly 7 orbits worth of blinds and antes left in it.

We would push A5s but not A6s (or those other hands I mentioned)

Why?

Originally Posted by settecba

Why?

A5s can make 1 straight LDFO

Originally Posted by settecba

Why?

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      equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     69.935%      69.23%     00.70%          213376656       2172750.00   { 99+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1:     30.065%      29.36%     00.70%           90492564       2172750.00   { A6s }


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      equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     68.533%      67.75%     00.78%          208824852       2404278.00   { 99+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1:     31.467%      30.69%     00.78%           94581312       2404278.00   { A5s }

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    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    
Hand 0:     85.204%      84.93%     00.27%        10689050508      34206936.00   { AA }
Hand 1:     14.796%      14.52%     00.27%         1827970020      34206936.00   { random }


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Originally Posted by settecba

Why?

Because of our equity against their calling ranges. It's kind of weird how it works out, but basically if they're never calling with a hand that AJo dominates then AJo < A5s because of the suitedness, even though they make a similar number of straights.

As for the specific tournament situation mentioned I think Penney may be a little off but, here is a link for proof that the [game theory] optimal shoving range for UTG when you're far away from the money and you have an M of 7 with no antes is {99+ ATs+ A5s AJo+ KTs+ QTs+}.

lol @ 6 being a "kicker"

Originally Posted by donkfish

lol @ 6 being a "kicker"

gets counterfeited too often to really matter imo

Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

gets counterfeited too often to really matter imo

lol aint that the point he was making

Originally Posted by EasyPoker

lol aint that the point he was making

ldfo i was just agreeing with him lol

FWIW I just pulled that info from Kill Everyone's push fold charts.

Originally Posted by Penneywize

FWIW I just pulled that info from Kill Everyone's push fold charts.

WP sir