AQ squeeze and 3b, 50nl regwar sizing?

villains are both winning tag-nits, pretty bad though. One of them huge squeezed my utg on another table a while earlier with QQ and then snapped my 4b AK shove. At least one of them considers me a monkey (he said so in chat), but a monkey with a fold button and the ability to hit the nuts they probably see me as 19-14-6.
both are 24-tabling, and i think they're colluding (both chinese, no big pots together ever, always sit close, etc).

i like this hand a lot, including sizing. Which means that there could be a lot wrong with it.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($50)
Hero (Button) ($83.35)
SB ($50.75)
BB ($20)
UTG ($72.90)
UTG+1 ($32.85)
MP1 ($53.80)
MP2 ($57.25)
MP3 ($53.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, A
3 folds, MP2 bets $1.50, MP3 calls $1.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls $3.75, MP3 calls $3.75

Flop: ($16.50) K, 7, 5 (3 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $6.50,

One thought: if they're colluding, your squeeze is not really a squeeze anymore, amirite? Between that, your loose-aggro-monkey image and some recent history, your fold equity seems somewhat compromised.

Certainly a good flop to cbet, but is sizing not a little small? $9 maybe? Please explain your rationale for the small size, I am interested. Would you bet so small if you had AK?

it looks like you have A8, not AQ?

Originally Posted by daviddem

One thought: if they're colluding, your squeeze is not really a squeeze anymore, amirite?

it's not that likely they are colluding intelligently

Originally Posted by daviddem

Certainly a good flop to cbet, but is sizing not a little small? $9 maybe? Please explain your rationale for the small size, I am interested. Would you bet so small if you had AK?

i size like this with KK/AJ/AA/AK/air in this spot. Has to work less than 30% and they're both folding their pocket pairs cos they're scared of AK+, cos i wouldn't cbet a K-high flop without at least tptk - right? dunno, Could be spew.

@ baudib - yep, the title has two typos, it should read
"A9 squeeze and cb, 50nl regwar sizing?"

yeah, i mean it polarizes our range, but if they see you as a monkey its more likely that youll be c/r'ed in this spot, or floated with weak ranges no?
whats your plan on the turn?

idk, I tend to make it small in these spots too, but not quite that small.

Meh this size puts us into mirky territory as to whether they actually fold PPs, if I made it this size I'd almost want to fire turns too, but that could be spewy,. I'd just go $9 and be done with it if called.

Originally Posted by thelorax

yeah, i mean it polarizes our range, but if they see you as a monkey its more likely that youll be c/r'ed in this spot, or floated with weak ranges no?

check-raise is unlikely cos i still have the nuts in my range and they know it.
float is definitely a risk with sizing this small....

Originally Posted by thelorax

whats your plan on the turn?

i'll be checking back a lot of turns

Originally Posted by Carroters

Meh this size puts us into mirky territory as to whether they actually fold PPs, if I made it this size I'd almost want to fire turns too, but that could be spewy,. I'd just go $9 and be done with it if called.

makes sense.Ii bet this size with KK here, but it possibly isn't the best balance spot

SNs would help here if theyre Chinese regs

Originally Posted by daven

check-raise is unlikely cos i still have the nuts in my range and they know it.
float is definitely a risk with sizing this small....



i'll be checking back a lot of turns


makes sense.Ii bet this size with KK here, but it possibly isn't the best balance spot

lots of turns you can bet, but yah check back the bad ones.

I spent some time thinking about this hand, but so much of it seems to be wrapped up in table dynamics, history, etc., it's hard to comment. If you think it's good, it's probably good, and you have a ton of backdoor equity just in case.

What's your checking range in this spot? Do you ever balance it by checking AK?

i personally go $8 here. though that's what i do with my whole range. if these guys know that this is your standard sizing, then nh. although, i think we need to be slightly more barrel-happy when we choose to give them such ridiculous price on the flop. if you're pretty much planning to cbet flop and then shut down on most turns (fwiw i'd definitely be barreling any heart/Q/J) then go bigger on the flop and maximise your fold equity on the one stab you plan to take. if you are confident barreling, and you think there will be a reasonable amount of decent turn cards to do so, then i like the smaller sizing more.

Originally Posted by baudib

What's your checking range in this spot? Do you ever balance it by checking AK?

i might consider checking back QQ and/or AA. Everything else i'm betting here