another aspect of fishiness is whether the site lets you multitable. Try Pacificpoker. No multitabling and the worst players limit for limit that i've ever seen. fortune/sportingbet used to be that bad when they didn't allow multi-tabling. After they allowed it - believe it or not the % of good players increased - especially at 1/2 and up.

SnG's will always have more fish than NL ring. Limit ring will as well, in my opinion.

There is a point of... we'll call it "income potential" where alot of "home pro's" tend to squat. $20-$50 SnG's, certain tournaments like pokerstars MTT's, and massive multitabling of 1/2 and there-abouts ring games. The proof of that was when fortune/sportingbet started multitabling. I would play all day there and as time when on i kept playing the same 10 guys on every table (not all 10 seats but the same guys over and over and over). fortune has way too few tables to spread the wealth out. But, the fun thing is that even the good players get loose and sloppy when the bad players are so awfully bad. But when nl200 got to 32% of players seeing the flop I said, "OK, this isn't 19 hand poker/fishing anymore."

This is just my observations. If you want to turn it into something helpful for the thread read this message into it:

WATCH THE TABLE STATS WHEN THEY CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY YOU AREN'T IN KANSAS ANYMORE, TOTO!! You can get on a table where they've seen so much 19 hand holdem from me that they know how to counterplay it with finesse. (sorry)

Here is THE AOK FISHSCALE (i.e. how to measure fishiness). It's just my opinion, but i'm a poker genius so base you entire faith system on it and keep your objections to yourselves you peon s... oh wait a minute. I suck. I forgot. Anyway, here it is.

SNG - How fast are players eliminated. The faster the fishier. Pacific low buyin sngs (and party $5 last time I looked) half the table is gone in 20-30 minutes. FISHY FISHY. If you see a table - like Party $30 sng's where it takes 30 minutes for the first player to get eliminated and there are still 5 players after an hour then you're in pro-ville.

Ring - How many players are seeing the flop and what's the average pot size. It's a combo thing. There are situations where good players will see alot of flops and then fold. That's not as fishy as the lumps who will call preflop raises, limp and then stay in after a big raise, etc.

MTT - See SnG. Average is half the field being eliminated in the first hour. Measure it against that. If half the field is gone in 45 minutes then it's superfish. It takes alot of stupidity to get knocked out of a mtt in the first hour. For half the field to do it in 45 minutes is rediculous. If you are playing any mtt where more than half the field survives the first hour then you're playing a better field.

This is my opinion. I related loose play with fish and I relate passive play with fish. TAG normally means less players see the flop, smaller pot sizes and more people staying in any tourney sng or mtt longer.