anyone have the one hand....

that should be a winner but just takes a beating for some reason? For me it's poket 7's. I've been victim to set over set twice for ~120 each time (100NL). Also AKs takes a beating for me as well while AKo is a huge winner.

KK has not been kind to me. I have run into AA or a suck-out way more often than simple odds seem to suggest.

Also AKs takes a beating for me as well while AKo is a huge winner.

thats interesting. i wonder why this is. the suitedness only adds five percent to the hand, but obviously you are pushing it harder than it warrants.

i dont use pokertracker, so i cant answer this definitively. but out of the big hands, i struggle with JJ the most. i need to consider it more like TT and less like QQ methinks.

77 is also my biggest loser over 50K hands. A big part of that was getting stacked for 200BB on a JJT7 board. He had the nut full house, but he had been going berserk with hands like middle pair, no kicker so I decided I had to go with 77 there. That's really the only good hand that's a been a significant loser for me.

JJ just kills me.....

88 doesn't like me too well either....

queens were bad for me over a 20k hand stretch, but then the last 20k they are my biggest winner

I am blessed with having AQ in my top ten hands. Most people hate AQ but I love it. I either don't run into AK much or I am clairvoyant enough to avoid dominated situations.

Originally Posted by siknd

the suitedness only adds five percent to the hand

How do you figure? Are you playing 2 street poker here with 5 card flops?

BTW, I'm a sTAggro nut-job and JJ/TT have always been big winners for me.

Recently I went broke with AQ. Twice. Also my kings got busted by Aokrongly's Aces.

Jacks and Tens are g00t for me, I won recently some big pots in set vs set and ther was lots of flops like "Vrax bets villains folds".

AKo I hit TPTK someone hit 2 pair, I hit 2 pair someone hit set, I hit straight someone gets flush waaaa waaaaa. I am getting better at folding it tho and it's rare I get stacked with it, but little pots start adding up.

I nearly hate it when I look down and see it now, AKs is behaving tho

TT is my hand of death in SNGs - I always am prepared to go all-in with it, but say I am up against half JJ-AA and half AJ-AK, I lose 70% of the time. Why do I do this to myself??

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by siknd

the suitedness only adds five percent to the hand

How do you figure? Are you playing 2 street poker here with 5 card flops?

BTW, I'm a sTAggro nut-job and JJ/TT have always been big winners for me.

i just mean strictly in terms of preflop probability. isnt AKo vs underpair 45-55, but AKs dead even?

im just wondering what the suitedness of this hand causes the OP to overplay it.

Originally Posted by siknd

i just mean strictly in terms of preflop probability. isnt AKo vs underpair 45-55, but AKs dead even?

I donno. This isn't short-stacked tourney poker and I don't play showdown poker against other full-buys in online ring games. 4 to a flush on the flop gives me options and maybe I catch another out if we go the distance.

im with you. all im saying is, to me, AK plays the same preflop to me, suited or not. the fact that we may pick up a flush draw on the flop is immaterial, its another issue.

it seems to me that if AKo is a big winner, but AKs is not, then our hero is being blinded by the 5% and losing too much value. obviously he knows how to play AK. but perhaps when he raises with AKs pf, is raised, and has a third player come over the top... he calls, when he would fold (probably correctly) with AKo.

Honestly, I've looked at my AKs hands (which are much fewer than AKo obviously) but I just don't "catch" with it. At all. As in in the last 16 hands with it I have not hit a 'A' or a 'K' on the flop and nothing even close to a flush draw. So combine all the pre-flop raises with occasional c-bets that don't always work.

I've never been stacked with AKs and I don't play it more aggressive than AKo. The hand is also not a huge loser but it is a minus. It's just something that doesn't seem to catch for me.

Value of being s00ted will be rediscovered when you bust some sets with it but in solid poker way, no chasing! Semibluff the nits!

Originally Posted by Vrax

Value of being s00ted will be rediscovered when you bust some sets with it but in solid poker way, no chasing! Semibluff the nits!

ugh. reluctant to take my nine-outer up against a nit's ten-outer (set vs flush draw) on a coordinated flop. i think thats a recipe for having it allin behind.

Originally Posted by siknd

Originally Posted by Vrax

Value of being s00ted will be rediscovered when you bust some sets with it but in solid poker way, no chasing! Semibluff the nits!

ugh. reluctant to take my nine-outer up against a nit's ten-outer (set vs flush draw) on a coordinated flop. i think thats a recipe for having it allin behind.

True, but it looks better when your flush is made and his FH isn't.