am i a fcking dumb nit?

Originally Posted by PKKFW

I've considered folding KK pre. Once to a cold 4 bet shove and once to a limp re-raise all in. Both times I did the math afterwards and found I didn't have the odds to call in either case, even after assigning them a generous range. Oh and of course both times villain had AA! lol

Lesson learned: If I ever consider folding KK pre again I will take every last second of the clock to try to work out my odds and ranges etc before just jamming the call button!

Oh and H1 I'd be calling all day and twice on Sunday.
H2 I'd like to say I'd fold and I think that is the right move but I must admit I probably would have called it off.

What is this "generous range" you speak of, out of curiousity?

Originally Posted by eugmac

What is this "generous range" you speak of, out of curiousity?

In both cases I gave a range of QQ+, AK

In both cases I failed to see how big a stack villain had and how much I needed to call.(besides that it was AI) I've learned to pay a bit more attention to those things since then.

Originally Posted by PKKFW

In both cases I gave a range of QQ+, AK

In both cases I failed to see how big a stack villain had and how much I needed to call.(besides that it was AI) I've learned to pay a bit more attention to those things since then.

please explain fold when that is the range you give them.

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 215,750,304  games     0.447 secs   482,662,872  games/sec

Board: 
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	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	42.809%  	40.24% 	02.57% 	      86815812 	  5545566.00   { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 	57.191%  	54.62% 	02.57% 	     117843360 	  5545566.00   { KK }

Originally Posted by eugmac

please explain fold when that is the range you give them.

Looking at that I can only assume the range I gave them at the time was KK+ and AK rather than QQ+

What I do remember clearly was when I did the math afterwards I didn't have anywhere near the equity to make it a call. However, in hindsight I was probably being unduly influenced by already knowing they had AA.

The two hands sort of stuck in my head because during the hand I did contemplate folding KK for a brief second before thinking "only AA beats me so stick it in" rather taking a few seconds to think about it and really assign a proper range during play.

Originally Posted by PKKFW

Looking at that I can only assume the range I gave them at the time was KK+ and AK rather than QQ+

What I do remember clearly was when I did the math afterwards I didn't have anywhere near the equity to make it a call. However, in hindsight I was probably being unduly influenced by already knowing they had AA.

The two hands sort of stuck in my head because during the hand I did contemplate folding KK for a brief second before thinking "only AA beats me so stick it in" rather taking a few seconds to think about it and really assign a proper range during play.

Take 2 seconds and stove KK+, AK vs KK. Still a call.

Originally Posted by eugmac

Take 2 seconds and stove KK+, AK vs KK. Still a call.

So it would seem.

I don't know what I range I put in then as the way I remember it, it was no where near a call. It had to have been KK+ and AKs at the widest and may have been KK+ only. Which, with hindsight is probably too narrow a range anyway and so my call isn't really as bad as I thought.

Having said that, I still clearly remember not giving the decision any real thought during the hand and that's never a good way to play.