When Villain turned over
:Ah: you just have to chuckle and move on.[/quote]

this is exactly the problem with these Low Limit NL Games - Players there overvalue their hands drastically - Crushed nuts says something along the lines of 9 times they have the straight - Not in NL low limit - I really enjoy reading the thought processes you guys write out but I think we are giving these players WAY too much credit - I pay this off 80% of the time, if they have a straight - The times I don't pay it off is when i'm up against a good player when I've been diong all the betting (telling my hand) and then get raised on turn or river - That is a good tell - again, the player has to be good though - most of the time i'm paying it off there...Because the A,7 he flips over is what I see them flip over most of the time