Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
kmind, yeah I know folding pre is wtf, but I keep coming to the same problem... betting flop seems too thin, so if we're checking KQx flop ip with AK, what's our plan for the turn/river? Call both streets? What hands do we beat that bets turn and river? Call turn fold river? Seems like we're throwing money away vs his strong range/ b/f turn? Value is still thin.
So if we're folding to any bet, which seems correct here to me, then I can't help feel we shouldn't have played our hand pre. It's probably flawed thinking, I get that. I don't know what optimal is here.
F I thought WE were 3betting preflop .

Preflop is closer than I thought but still not a fold due to the fact I think villain's 3bet% is a little wider now 2 handed. I actually do think we can value bet the flop but that's only if my earlier assumption of a wider 3bet% is correct. I expect AQ/QJ/JT to c/c while 99-JJ to c/f flop.

But I'd bet flop smaller