Two hands I had in quick succession last night made me realise that I really didn't know what to do with AK with a raise before me. To make this easier for me to explain heres the two situations. This is $10 NL by the way.

If possible please do this without reads because i want to come up with a framework strategy which I can alter as/if needed.

Example 1)
4x raise UTG when I'm UTG+1. 8 players to act behind me.

*** Export for: QKA23 Game: Texas Holdem Game number: 540585194 ***
Date: 10/14/2005 9:25:22 PM
Game: 540585194: Table: Super Human
Normal Table No Limit 0.10/0.20
Rake: 0.30
Seat: 1 KIPPE1 BB
Seat: 2 medina_baj ~$10 UTG
Seat: 3 QKA23 ~$10 UTG+1
Seat: 4 flezi123
Seat: 5 Valnir
Seat: 6 skejanne
Seat: 7 fenrisen
Seat: 8 hounddog77
Seat: 9 sjonkel2 (Dealer)
Seat: 10 mr_devil SB

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OpeningBetRound
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Dealt to QKA23: :Ac:, :Kd:
mr_devil : Posts small blind 0.05
KIPPE1 : Posts big blind 0.10
medina_baj : Raises for 0.40
QKA23 : ?????


Example 2)
A 4x raise from EP and 2 callers before it gets to me. I think stack size is important in this one.


*** Export for: QKA23 Game: Texas Holdem Game number: 540553356 ***
Date: 10/14/2005 9:04:11 PM
Game: 540553356: Table: Table Request
Normal Table No Limit 0.10/0.20
Rake: 0.30
Seat: 9 QKA23 $10 CO
Seat: 2 lack300 (Dealer)
Seat: 3 Phaum
Seat: 4 benkabyron
Seat: 5 biff69
Seat: 6 WajLD
Seat: 7 zniper $2.06 UTG+2
Seat: 8 temmey $2.21 MP1
Seat: 1 2Bad-2Mad
Seat: 10 Weslan1 $10 MP3


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OpeningBetRound
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Dealt to QKA23 : :Kc:, :Ad:
Phaum : Posts small blind 0.05
benkabyron : Posts big blind 0.10
biff69 : folds timed out
WajLD : Folds
zniper : Raises for 0.40
temmey : Calls for 0.40
2Bad-2Mad : Folds
Weslan1 : Calls for 0.40
QKA23 : ????


Thanks for your replies in advance.