Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Criticizing the play because he was too passive, and he did not make a play to clearly define villains range is just retarded. You have information about the villain and you don't need to make what is likely to be a -EV play just to "define his range" or "find out where you are". You know he is really tight. This tells you a good bit here. You can likely conclude from either that information or other information that he doesn't bluff very often. So given his tightness you can conclude you don't fair very well against his value range, and since he isn't bluffing often your hand is very marginal. There is no need to raise to figure that out.
Are you saying you fold to his 60% pot bet on flop because his stats are 11/6? Just because he's a little tight, you're folding 100% to his c-bet?

Lets give villain range of AQo+, JJ+ PF, all of which I see c-betting this flop IP. We're going to assume the rest of the 6% isn't c-betting.

Code:
Board: Qs Qc As
Dead:  

	        equity   	win   	 tie 	            pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	57.554%  	44.71% 	12.84% 	         73034 	    20980.50   { AKo }
Hand 1: 	42.446%  	29.60% 	12.84% 	         48355 	    20980.50   { JJ+, AQo+ }
Now, if you call his flop bet, why not lead turn and get some control of a pot you still have equity in? I understand check folding turn, if villain was an 8/6 player, but sample size would have to be approaching 2000 or I'd need other reads for me to believe he's only ever betting with AA, AQ, QQ on turn. I think the success of c/f turn also depends heavily on villain's image of us.

Code:
Board: Qs Qc As 8h
Dead:  

	        equity  	 win  	  tie 	             pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	60.124%  	47.23% 	12.89% 	          3429 	      936.00   { AKo }
Hand 1: 	39.876%  	26.98% 	12.89% 	          1959 	      936.00   { JJ+, AQo+ }