advice on two hands

PokerStars Game #2442166697: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2005/08/28 - 11:41:36 (ET)
Table 'Appella' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Jaguar ($4.80 in chips)
Seat 2: Cbert621 ($7 in chips)
Seat 5: eddieb211 ($0.80 in chips)
Seat 6: edudlive ($7 in chips)
Cbert621: posts small blind $0.05
eddieb211: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to edudlive [ :As:]
edudlive: calls $0.10
Jaguar: folds
Cbert621: folds
eddieb211: checks
*** FLOP *** [ :Js: ]
eddieb211: bets $0.10
edudlive: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [ :Js: ] [:Kc:]
eddieb211: bets $0.10
edudlive: calls $0.10
*** RIVER *** [ :Js: :Kc:] [:Ts:]
eddieb211: checks
edudlive: bets $0.65
eddieb211: folds
edudlive collected $0.65 from pot
edudlive: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.65 | Rake $0
Board [5c Js 4s Kc Ts]
Seat 1: Jaguar (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Cbert621 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: eddieb211 (big blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: edudlive collected ($0.65)

Now that I think about it, I had a pretty monster hand and should have reraised him.

I'm pretty sure my Ace was good even though it was weak (all of the other guys raise ANY ace) so thats 3 outs, 2 5s, and 9 for the flush...a total of 14 outs (56% chance by the river right?). Also, I figured my raising his check on the river might be considered weak since I bet pot sized (though image doesn't matter at 10NL)


PokerStars Game #2442201923: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2005/08/28 - 11:48:34 (ET)
Table 'Appella' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Jaguar ($5.40 in chips)
Seat 2: Cbert621 ($7.10 in chips)
Seat 3: Damirka ($5.50 in chips)
Seat 4: holdem1955 ($3.45 in chips)
Seat 5: eddieb211 ($4.55 in chips)
Seat 6: edudlive ($6.50 in chips)
Cbert621: posts small blind $0.05
Damirka: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to edudlive [:Tc: :Ts:]
holdem1955: calls $0.10
eddieb211: calls $0.10
edudlive: raises $0.25 to $0.35
Jaguar: folds
Cbert621: folds
Damirka: calls $0.25
holdem1955: folds
eddieb211: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [:Kh: :Td: ]
holdem1955 leaves the table
Damirka: bets $0.50
eddieb211: calls $0.50
edudlive: raises $5.65 to $6.15 and is all-in
Damirka: calls $4.65 and is all-in
catrop35 joins the table at seat #4
eddieb211: calls $3.70 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [:Kh: :Td: ] []
*** RIVER *** [:Kh: :Td: ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Damirka: shows [:Qd: :Kd:] (a pair of Kings)
edudlive: shows [:Tc: :Ts:] (three of a kind, Tens)
edudlive collected $1.80 from side pot
eddieb211: mucks hand
edudlive collected $13.15 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $15.70 Main pot $13.15. Side pot $1.80. | Rake $0.75
Board [Kh Td 5d 8h 6h]
Seat 1: Jaguar (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Cbert621 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Damirka (big blind) showed [:Qd: :Kd:] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: holdem1955 folded before Flop
Seat 5: eddieb211 mucked [:Ad: :Qh:]
Seat 6: edudlive showed [:Tc: :Ts:] and won ($14.95) with three of a kind, Tens

I knew he had the flush draw but was this still the right, and +EV move?

Hand 1, raise the flop. You are a slight favorite, and if you call small bets til the flush card hits and then bet, you're opponent is much more likely to fold. I'm not saying go crazy, but you usually need to show some strength before the 3rd flush card hits to get action ... they will be much more likely to put you on a smaller hand.

Hand 2 is fine ... you will win money with this play in the long run, you just have to realize you are going to get sucked out on a lot and not tilt if you do. The third person in the pot makes it even sweeter if he calls, and also remember that you will fill up almost as often as the other guy hits his flush.

Hand#1: Fold preflop. Once you limped your play was fine. I dont think it is neccessary to bet on draws with only 2 people in the pot, if it was three or more you should bet. I also think you were being after the flop (Jx, mid pair, something like it)

Hand #2: I think your flop reraise was way too agressive. you are ahead and you want them to make a mistake, throw in a pot sized bet or a bit more, if they fold fine, and if they chase its EV+ long term.

Hand 1. Probably ok to limp at these limits but so +ev as you move up. Once you limp you probably have to bet the flop or turn to get some action on the river. His weakness suggests that when you hit your going to have to make a value bet to get him to call. Its about getting the maximum out of the opp here not making a bet he cant call.

Hand2.
I like this play all the way for these limits. Good to raise the 10s, great flop probably a good push as anyone whos caught the king will probably call. I might be tempted to pot bet the flop and take the fishies with top pair then provided the turn isnt ugly i'd push then although i can certainly see why you pushed the flop here. Nice.

Originally Posted by TLR

Hand#1: Fold preflop.

Not 4 handed surely, I would nearly say raise preflop.