Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
The only way you can "discount" outs is with card removal but we would be discounting a very small fraction of an out so it's pretty much never useful in hold em games. I think it would be a little more useful of stud games since we see their door cards but don't take my word for it.
Yeah in razz this is why A23 can be an underdog on third street to something like 543 depending on the other door cards.