AA winrate

Out of the last 85 times I've been dealt AA, I've 'won without showing' 39 times, or nearly half the time. My PTBB/Hand with AA is 2.91. Standard?

My AA win rate is >7PTBB/100. I played mostly NL25 and I won the most with AA by reraising or 3-betting AI preflop. I've seen people call with half-decent hands from 88-QQ or AK to even crappier hands like AJ/KQ/QJ.

I've won without showing 46 of the past 99 times I've gotten AA. My winrate is 2.95BB/100, second only to KK at 4.45BB/100

edit: these are BB/hand, not /100

Small sample but AA is at 7.2ptbb/hand and KK is at 6.98ptbb/hand, I dont think either are _too_ far off [either up or down]

I think i run something like 7PTBB/100 with AA.

3.5ptBB/100 with AA and 5ptBB/100 with KK.

AA 123 times 6.03ptBB/hand (not sure how to convert to /100)
KK 123 times (creepy I know) 1.19ptbb/100 (dont ask)

Sample 25K hands

AA 116 times 91.38win%, 6.77bb/100, 74 times won without showdown.
KK on the other hand is at 1.76bb/100

Originally Posted by Seasider

AA 123 times 6.03ptBB/hand (not sure how to convert to /100)
KK 123 times (creepy I know) 1.19ptbb/100 (dont ask)

Sample 25K hands

Shit, just realized it is ptbb/hand, not ptbb/100 like most of us have.

Not too long ago, one of the larger (Absolute or Pacific?) poker sites did an expected value analysis of 115 million hands dealt on their site.

AA had an expected value of 2.32 BB.

The chart was pretty accurate too. Only problems I saw was that suited cards seem to play much better online than live.

Originally Posted by Senator7

Not too long ago, one of the larger (Absolute or Pacific?) poker sites did an expected value analysis of 115 million hands dealt on their site.

AA had an expected value of 2.32 BB.

The chart was pretty accurate too. Only problems I saw was that suited cards seem to play much better online than live.

This doesnt tell us much at all seeing as the vast majority of online players are losing players, so their results are going to be greatly skewed.

Originally Posted by Warpe

Out of the last 85 times I've been dealt AA, I've 'won without showing' 39 times, or nearly half the time.

Originally Posted by zook

I've won without showing 46 of the past 99 times I've gotten AA.

This is what I'm starting to wonder about...

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by Warpe

Out of the last 85 times I've been dealt AA, I've 'won without showing' 39 times, or nearly half the time.

Originally Posted by zook

I've won without showing 46 of the past 99 times I've gotten AA.

This is what I'm starting to wonder about...

Gonna start limping it?

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by Warpe

Out of the last 85 times I've been dealt AA, I've 'won without showing' 39 times, or nearly half the time.

Originally Posted by zook

I've won without showing 46 of the past 99 times I've gotten AA.

This is what I'm starting to wonder about...

Is it not because you take down the blinds a lot of the time and the other times you generally win or lose huge?

Originally Posted by DubRod

AA 116 times 91.38win%, 6.77bb/100, 74 times won without showdown.

I'm so jealous.. my AA only has a 70% winrate and I do play it fast..

Originally Posted by zook

I've won without showing 46 of the past 99 times I've gotten AA. My winrate is 2.95BB/100, second only to KK at 4.45BB/100

edit: these are BB/hand, not /100

my sample (in my newer db) is too small to comment with stats, but all seems about right. i guess i am due to have my AA cracked in the recent future...lol.

isnt the reason that your KK is doing better, that its easier to fold when the A hits the flop? therefore, you dont tend to take it as far as AA? at least, that seems to be the case with me. my KK (over larger numbers in another db) was my biggest winner...BY FAR!

dont have my exact stats because im at work, but mine are on par with warpe's. my AA is only getting like 2.5bb/hand and winning without a showdown over ~60% of the time. My KK is doing much better at 5ishbb/hand.

Originally Posted by zook

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by Warpe

Out of the last 85 times I've been dealt AA, I've 'won without showing' 39 times, or nearly half the time.

Originally Posted by zook

I've won without showing 46 of the past 99 times I've gotten AA.

This is what I'm starting to wonder about...

Gonna start limping it?

Not limping (never limping), but I'm certainly beginning to think about flat calling raises some of the time and trying to make my reraising range a little wider.

83x AA, won without showing = 38x, PTBB/hand = 3.77.
111x KK, won without showing = 54x, PTBB/hand = 3.55.

$100nl FR and 6 max if that makes any difference.


edit: won without showing = everyone folded pf

5-7 is more standard warpe, its very likely u are making weakish folds.

Originally Posted by Renton

5-7 is more standard warpe, its very likely u are making weakish folds.

5/7? I can't remember the last time I folded AA.

Originally Posted by Warpe

Not limping (never limping), but I'm certainly beginning to think about flat calling raises some of the time and trying to make my reraising range a little wider.

One thing I've been playing around with is re-raising light once or twice in the first few orbits at a new table. Not against players I have history with though. Don't know if it's helping to get my premiums paid off, but it's fun and good for my image.

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by Renton

5-7 is more standard warpe, its very likely u are making weakish folds.

5/7? I can't remember the last time I folded AA.

QFMFT. It's likely that 100 hands is a miniscule sample size and we've taken some freakishly bad beats. I'm tempted to post some, but then I'd have to punch myself in the face.

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by Renton

5-7 is more standard warpe, its very likely u are making weakish folds.

5/7? I can't remember the last time I folded AA.

Yea even when i ran (played) god awfully during December at 100nl 6m my aces still made a shit-ton.

I said weakish folds because for some reason at the time I thought you were playing full ring.

90% winrate
3.3bbs per time dealt.
win without showing down about 30-40% the time

85.5% winrate at 5.85PTBB/hand. Went to showdown (when seeing flop) only 47% of the time - guess I play my aces too fast.

you know if we posted the numbers of hands in our samples sizes along with our stats, we could get a better "cross-section" of how AA/KK play.

we could leverage all of our sample sizes to arrive at a medium number from which we could actually start any analysis.

only have 6700 hands to draw from (new db, remember) myself but...

AA (20 times) 95% win 6.75 BB/hand 12 times "w/o showing" have not folded, yet.

KK (30 times) 70% win 2.93 BB/hand 14 times "w/o showing" and folded 8 times. once on flop (A hit).

is this something we can do?

last time I had AA, I was in the BB and it was folded to me!

Originally Posted by zenbitz

last time I had AA, I was in the BB and it was folded to me!

nothing pisses me off more!! "c'mon guys (fishies) get in here and gambool!"