AA OOP vs. Fish - Wot's His Range?

This is not so much a "wot's my action" question; more of a request for tips on putting these kind of players on ranges.

TableScanner found me this guy. When the table opened, he's on my left, which is kinda meh, but i also had another (known) Fish next-but-one to my right so i decided to stay.

$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
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6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($7.77) 78bb - VPIP:47, PFR:13, 3B:7, AF:2, Hands:32
UTG+1 ($10) 100bb
CO ($9.85) 99bb
BTN ($10.95) 110bb
SB ($9.64) 96bb
DoubleJ (BB) ($11.96) 120bb

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) DoubleJ is BB
UTG calls $0.10, 4 folds, DoubleJ raises to $0.60, UTG calls $0.50

Pre he open limps ldo, and it folds to me. I 6x it, hoping he'll pull the ol' limp/reraise killer move. He just calls, so right now i put him on all sorts of shite - suited stuff, all pairs, all broadways. Ax, connected hands etc.

Flop: ($1.25, 2 players)
DoubleJ bets $0.90, UTG calls $0.90

Flop is draw-y, so i bet ~3/4 pot. He calls, but with a FcB of 1/5 i'm not surprised.

Is there anything i can exclude from his range now? He'll be continuing with any made hand plus FDs, 4- and 8-out SDs, prolly overcards...AF OTF is 1.5, so would anyone expect a raise here w/ Sets or 2Pair?

Turn: ($3.05, 2 players)
DoubleJ bets $2.30, UTG calls $2.30

Same Qs as Flop

River: ($7.65, 2 players)
DoubleJ Shoves

i'm getting into pots more and more with this kind of player ldo, so any clues on wtf they might be doing is appreciated.

Villain limped EP, he's likely a passive whale that won't bluff his missed draws if you check.

You have AA, and he only has like half pot so left behind. Anything other than shoving is a huge mistake.

As for ranges, probably tons of missed FD's. QJ, AT,KT,QT,JT,9T, TT,88, 5x, JJ,QQ,KK, 78,89,79. These people can have anything!

Thanks

Originally Posted by griffey24

Anything other than shoving is a huge mistake.

OK, i've edited OP to avoid getting distracted...

Originally Posted by griffey24

These people can have anything!

My question is about this statement - what's our strategy here?

Do we just get the money in and accept that a small %age of the time they will show up w/ monsters?

And where do we draw the line - if ever - wrt hand strength vs. this kind of Villain?

I play live against someone like this all the time so I am interested to see the replies you get.

It's so frustrating.

Originally Posted by DoubleJ

Thanks



OK, i've edited OP to avoid getting distracted...



My question is about this statement - what's our strategy here?

Do we just get the money in and accept that a small %age of the time they will show up w/ monsters?

And where do we draw the line - if ever - wrt hand strength vs. this kind of Villain?

Just the same as any other spot - you put your opponent on a continuing range to your shove, and you stove it to figure out what's the worst hand you can do this with. He got this far with his Tx so he's not gonna fold to a 1/2 pot shove probably.

I think there are two types of fish/whales like this.

Type A: That call almost all flops and turns, and fold tons of rivers (even if draws brick - granted they could have the draw themselves)

Type B: That call almost all flops and turns, and never fold rivers.

Figuring out a fish's river tendency is pretty important. Lately I'm finding that any fish I play against (which is pretty rare these days), generally just call down tons, call down draws and fold rivers when draws brick. So I've been triple bareling v wide vs them when draws brick out and c/f rivs when they get there.

Most fish have such a wide range that their range really can't handle a triple. I also think most fish fall under Type A. Obviously if it's Type B I'm probably only even double barreling a very strong range that I can triple as well.

Villains range is a staggering amount of Tx 8x 5x FD's and straight-draws.

Well played, i especially liked the 0.60 raise pre-flop. Obviously ship the nickels on the river.

Originally Posted by griffey24

Figuring out a fish's river tendency is pretty important.

Any tips for doing this, please?

i'm thinking that we're gonna need a shed load of hands on villain before stats become at all reliable

well actually I guess since this guy is seeing nearly every hand through to the river, it shan't take you too long to figure out what he's doing and make notes accordingly??

BTW I think type A describes a LOT of casino livefish.

Originally Posted by eugmac

...since this guy is seeing nearly every hand through to the river...

point taken, but what makes u think this ^^?

Originally Posted by DoubleJ

Any tips for doing this, please?

i'm thinking that we're gonna need a shed load of hands on villain before stats become at all reliable

I think you only need to see one hand where villain calls a river triple barrel to conclude that he will call triples wide.

Originally Posted by DoubleJ

point taken, but what makes u think this ^^?

well i thought "he hardly ever folds flops and turns" was our read, and that he plays a lot of hands.

Bet bet bet raise bet raise raise raise bet bet bet raise re-raise bet bet raise. His range is going to be too wide to deal with in exact terms, but it's good that you're thinking about it. FTR CHAT ROOM (no download needed)!