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    ^^ what he said. Because A6s is one of the strongest hands of the range you could be bluffing with (one of the ones that has the strongest pot equity vs the range of your opponent). In other words, if you don't bluff with A6s here, it pretty much means you never ever bluff (except maybe with an open ended straight flush draw).

    It's also good for balance against regs.

    Besides, what else are you going to do? Chasing your draw or folding seem like inferior options.

    I am also looking at your pf range, why is it that, for example, you include Td9d and Th9h but not Tc9c? Also with a PFR of 16% it is arguable (not impossible though) whether he raises stuff like 87s-T9s, A5s-A8s and 22-66.

    Now write us a piece on the EV of your semi-bluff, say if you make a half pot-sized raise. Split his cbetting range into hands that fold, hands that call and hands that shove over and do some math. Then should you call if he shoves over with the shoving range you came up with?

    Note: this can get quite complicated, so you will have to make some simplifying (conservative) assumptions, such as "when he calls I will only win 25% of the time in the end" (either because you will go to showdown and loose, or because you will have to fold the turn). For starters, you can even start by assuming that he will only fold or shove over, never call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
    ^^ what he said. Because A6s is one of the strongest hands of the range you could be bluffing with (one of the ones that has the strongest pot equity vs the range of your opponent). In other words, if you don't bluff with A6s here, it pretty much means you never ever bluff (except maybe with an open ended straight flush draw).

    It's also good for balance against regs.

    Besides, what else are you going to do? Chasing your draw or folding seem like inferior options.

    I am also looking at your pf range, why is it that, for example, you include Td9d and Th9h but not Tc9c? Also with a PFR of 16% it is arguable (not impossible though) whether he raises stuff like 87s-T9s, A5s-A8s and 22-66.

    Now write us a piece on the EV of your semi-bluff, say if you make a half pot-sized raise. Split his cbetting range into hands that fold, hands that call and hands that shove over and do some math. Then should you call if he shoves over with the shoving range you came up with?

    Note: this can get quite complicated, so you will have to make some simplifying (conservative) assumptions, such as "when he calls I will only win 25% of the time in the end" (either because you will go to showdown and loose, or because you will have to fold the turn). For starters, you can even start by assuming that he will only fold or shove over, never call.
    This post turned out to be really informative. thanks everyone. especially dem & spoon.

    I'm going to work on the EV of semi-bluffing here, and balancing my c/r range . I'll post it up later, and see what you guys think.

    Oh, david, you asked why i only had some combos of sc's. Well, i think maybe sometimes he folds them pre, and sometimes not. so i just choose a couple of them.
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    default is to raise, calling is probably better in this spot with position and vs an ep open

    edit: also, wow at the posts from spoon and daviddem. Great posts, thanks heaps.

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