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    Default 92/19 wont give up , river Question

    vill 92/19 over 16. no reads

    Range pre ~everything
    Range on flop ~ A8 , Ax , Tx ,T8 ,88, TT. Any 2 spades (
    My brain goes fuzzy wondering what else)

    do I-

    Check ? Because I have no balls .
    Value bet ? cos Im only AA and I have one bollock.
    Fire a near PSB ?

    MicroGaming - €0.02 NL - Holdem - 6 players

    Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

    BTN: €1.15
    SB: €2.13
    BB: €2.00
    Hero (UTG): €2.00
    MP: €5.80
    CO: €1.67

    SB posts SB €0.01, BB posts BB €0.02

    Pre Flop: (€0.03) Hero has K A

    Hero raises to €0.08, fold, fold, fold, SB calls €0.07, fold

    Flop: (€0.18, 2 players) 8 A T
    SB checks, Hero bets €0.15, SB calls €0.15

    Turn: (€0.48, 2 players) 3
    SB checks, Hero bets €0.40, SB calls €0.40

    River: (€1.28, 2 players) 5
    SB checks, Hero ?
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    bet 1/2 he will just call
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    Given that there is a good chance that he would have got excited at some point with a set or two pairs and that he has lots of worse aces or maybe even second pairs in his river range that could call a bet (along with all the busted flush draws which obv. fold), I'd bet 2/3rd pot for value. Fold if raised, make a note of what he had if there is a showdown.
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    pot flop, pot turn, shove river. Bigger pre too probably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daviddem View Post
    Given that there is a good chance that he would have got excited at some point with a set or two pairs and that he has lots of worse aces or maybe even second pairs in his river range that could call a bet (along with all the busted flush draws which obv. fold), I'd bet 2/3rd pot for value. Fold if raised, make a note of what he had if there is a showdown.
    lol you're gonna fold w/ like 25bb behind and pot of 175bb wat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    bet 1/2 he will just call
    you hate to maximize value don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
    lol you're gonna fold w/ like 25bb behind and pot of 175bb wat
    Right, I need to pay more attention to stack sizes. Easier when playing because they're displayed.

    So as played, shove river? Looks a bit big.
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    keep firing, you're good here almost all the time, shove is good
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
    pot flop, pot turn, shove river. Bigger pre too probably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet View Post
    you hate to maximize value don't you?
    i love value, but TPTK aint nuts here... happend to many times to pot/shove river on TPTK and get reraised/busted by 2 pairs/set.

    so w/o the nuts and a opp that c/c flop&turn i might be a litlle carefull.

    92/19 its a jackass that might have any damn 2pair combo on that board and might be a dumb idiot that called a 55 to river... this is why i am cautious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razvan729 View Post
    i love value, but TPTK aint nuts here... happend to many times to pot/shove river on TPTK and get reraised/busted by 2 pairs/set.

    so w/o the nuts and a opp that c/c flop&turn i might be a litlle carefull.

    92/19 its a jackass that might have any damn 2pair combo on that board and might be a dumb idiot that called a 55 to river... this is why i am cautious
    he's 92/19, give him a street by street range and you'll see why we are betting >1/2 pot
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    Board: As Ts 8d 3h 5c

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 51.304% 48.70% 02.61% 56 3.00 { AdKh }
    Hand 1: 48.696% 46.09% 02.61% 53 3.00 { AA, TT, 88, 55, 33, A2s+, T8s, T5s, 85s, 83s, 5s3s, A2o+, T8o }

    also if he is calling this far with 55/85s/T5s then he is obviously going to call a shit load of Tx and QQ-99 to a river bet..hes only got a 16 hand sample i doubt he has T3o/83o in his preflop range at all.

    ez value bet imo...i'd probably bet/call a dollar but shoving is fine too
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    Quote Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics View Post
    Board: As Ts 8d 3h 5c

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 51.304% 48.70% 02.61% 56 3.00 { AdKh }
    Hand 1: 48.696% 46.09% 02.61% 53 3.00 { AA, TT, 88, 55, 33, A2s+, T8s, T5s, 85s, 83s, 5s3s, A2o+, T8o }

    also if he is calling this far with 55/85s/T5s then he is obviously going to call a shit load of Tx and QQ-99 to a river bet..hes only got a 16 hand sample i doubt he has T3o/83o in his preflop range at all.

    ez value bet imo...i'd probably bet/call a dollar but shoving is fine too
    You can also discount AA,TT,88 a fair % cause he'd open pre etc, and some 2pairs cause decent chance we'd raise @ some point. I know you were just trying to illustrate that even if his range was THIS strong it's a value bet but I just thought I'd let everyone know what you were trying to demonstrate.
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    illuminating debate given that its not result orientated.This hand is one that pops frequently .

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