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    Default 8s and 9s - two simple spots? 25nl FR

    Hand 1
    Villain is 18-tabling, 22-20-5 wannabe LAG over 200 hands. 65% cbet. Winning player, South American, probably pro 25nlol
    debating float, raise cos AEJones etc, or even nit-fold

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG ($39.29)
    UTG+1 ($27.96)
    Hero (MP1) ($25.35)
    MP2 ($27.09)
    MP3 ($33.26)
    CO ($26.57)
    Button ($26.15)
    SB ($10.10)
    BB ($10)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8, 8
    UTG bets $0.88, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.88, 6 folds

    Flop: ($2.11) 10, 7, 6 (2 players)
    UTG bets $1.45, HERO ??

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    Hand 2
    villain is unknown (12 hands) but seems uber-loose and pretty aggro (2 3bets already, 33% pfr).

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP1 ($24.93)
    MP2 ($91.77)
    Hero (CO) ($25)
    Button ($25)
    SB ($23.15)
    BB ($11.50)
    UTG ($9.90)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 9, 9
    3 folds, Hero bets $0.70, 2 folds, BB calls $0.45

    Flop: ($1.50) 2, 10, 8 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1 ???, BB calls $1

    Turn: ($3.50) 6 (2 players)
    BB bets $2, Heor = donkey??
    Last edited by daven; 08-26-2011 at 03:30 AM.
  2. #2
    Hand 1... calling pretty much 100% of the time, and what's more I'd call quickly so it looks like a flush draw... reassess turn... obv 8 and 9 are both good turns, diamond is worth a bluff since we have flush draws in our range. He can also shut down with his overcards.

    Hand 2... probably just fold, though I'd call him a c-word as I did so. There's a few bluffs in his range, but I doubt he's bluffing with zero equity, and his non-bluffs have us crushed, so I don't like this spot. I don't like floating this turn since there are so many flush draws in his range.
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  3. #3
    Hand 1 - flat and see a turn. Probably fold to barrels on blanks since I don't see him firing too lightly here.

    Hand 2 - Call, you're ahead loads here. If there are flush draws in his range that's not a reason to fold, but to call since we have like 70% equity vs them. I don't think he c/cs flop too often with a flush draw though so don't agree there are all that many. More likely is some bullshit pair, spazz, A high etc...you're ahead enough to peel.
  4. #4
    Hand 1:
    Guy seems solid so it's not like he would just check AK OOP here; float and I like repping a flush.

    Hand 2:
    I'd probably never fold here, we have solid SD value + some suckout equity + blockers to the nuts/draw that completed and a likely LAG's line makes no sense.
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    flat hand 1, raise a bunch of turns prolly

    not folding hand 2 either

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    Interesting that I'm the only one who finds a fold in hand 2. I guess this is a weakness in my game I need to look at. I just don't see us having barely any equity against his non-bluffs, while he as plenty of equity when he semi-bluffs. What's the plan on the river when we call the turn? Obviously we check if he does, but are we calling a 70% value bet?
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    If I call the flop it's with the intention of raising his b/f or c/f on every ugly turn card
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Interesting that I'm the only one who finds a fold in hand 2. I guess this is a weakness in my game I need to look at. I just don't see us having barely any equity against his non-bluffs, while he as plenty of equity when he semi-bluffs. What's the plan on the river when we call the turn? Obviously we check if he does, but are we calling a 70% value bet?
    Depends what the river is, calling on most red cards.
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  9. #9
    hand 1 i would raise or call depending on what villains tendencies on later streets is as that would give u hints to what is more +EV

    hand 2 id just call down and make a note. i play a very loose style preflop though so i get involved in tons of pots with loose fish and i think they may tend to play back at me a bit more than others due to always being involved in pots with me.

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