5NL JJ in the CO facing strong raise from middle pos.

What's the best thing I can do here?

villain is 9/9 over 22 hands

I thought if I 3bet I'll only scare off the hands I beat, so I decided to see a flop and get it in on a low one.

His bet size was quite large, shoulda prob thought about that a little bit

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($3.44)
MP1 ($12.88)
MP2 ($4.34)
MP3 ($5.24)
Hero (CO) ($5)
Button ($4)
SB ($5.01)
BB ($4.86)
UTG ($5.64)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, J
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.35, 3 folds, Hero (poster) calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.77) 7, 7, 8 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.75, Hero raises to $4.65 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $2.34 (All-In)

Turn: ($6.95) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($6.95) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $6.95 | Rake: $0.34

hang on - are you raising flop as a bluff or for value?

what better hands are folding, what worse hands are calling?

Seems fine for 60bb, and with very low sample size on the guy.

Daven - he's raising for value, 99,TT,AQ,AK,9Ts pretty much all call once he pots flop. Seems like a fine play with JJ. AA I'd probably flat because I don't care if turn is a Q, K, or A.

Seems fine yah. With this pre sizing his range is prolly jus TT anyways so jam. "I hate seing fwopz with pokat ten tens omfg 7x!!!!!!!"

Oh and one combo of JJ.

I think 88+calls, and maybe AK, i can't see AQ calling unless he's a fish.
so ya, my intention was raise for value.

Hands like this always give me trouble. It's easy to let go of it on a high flop but a low flop? Am I supposed to fold? If the turn and river are face cards I could prob get away from it.

is there another line I could take with this that would be more optimal?

I personally don't think a 9/9 @ 5nl is raising this big pre with anything worse than TT+, prolly more like QQ+. It's a nano sample size but I'd rather give him credit until he proves otherwise.

A lot of taggy players at this stake will raise small/mid pps smaller and QQ+ bigger coz they know that most players aren't paying much attn to bet sizing and will call huge raises pre coz it's just another 15c and wtf, I might get lucky. Adversely, they'll raise smaller pre with smaller pairs purely to get a better price on set mining, which isn't a horrible way to play this stake coz a lot of our profit comes from staking off with sets versus villains who are never folding top pair and shit.

*edit* Didn't look at stack sizes. Prolly getting it in somewhere no matter what we do.

at micros on stars there are a lot of 8-6, 11-8 type of players with weird stack sizes. To the point that my default assumption regarding an unknown was uber-nit until I had a ten hand sample that suggested otherwise. Then again, i would probably 3b pre vs a 70bb.

Until recently I would snap get it in on the flop here, but not now. His calling range beats 99 if we shove. which basically means that JJ is in trouble.

Yeah, I was thinking that if we tried to get to showdown cheap we'd have stacks in by the river prolly anyway, but thinking about more I think if we call the flop and he fires the turn we're far enough behind to fold.

Dunno, seems like a shit spot to fold tho. If his range is as strong as I think then we shoulda never been in the hand in the first place, but wtf at folding pre?

Guys, this is a 22 hand sample and he's 9/9 at FR. Don't see why we'd give him only the nuts or ever fold 60bb deep.

I would 3bet JJs pre here, partially because I 3bet bluff a bit and so have expanded my value range and partially because I find them difficult to play post flop and often you'll get a fold. As played, I like the flop shove.

3b is alright, but when you kinda know his range is somewhat tight (He can be 9/9 or like 20/18 but prob not 68/35 long-term), and his range something like AQ+,TT+, and some broadways, waiting for a non Q, K or A flop improves our equity quite a bit (from 44% to 54). And if flop comes Axx we can just fold happily (equity vs that range from 44 to 20%). That's why its easy to play vs tighter players.

Originally Posted by Petulie

I would 3bet JJs pre here, partially because I 3bet bluff a bit

Don't worry too much about this when you're vs a random tight player who's just sat down and likely has a tight range. If he hasn't seen you 3 bet yet then expanding your value range vs him should be left until you have a 3 betty image with this player. Otherwise you may just be folding out all his worse hands and leaving him with a continuing range that does rather well vs JJ.