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    Default 5k HANDS ON PS $5NL

    I just went over my first 5k hands today and am breaking just about even. Needing some advise. Here's some data:

    Hands: 5,109
    VP$IP: 24.8% (I know, playing a bit too loose )
    W$WSFlop: 42.48%
    BB/100 Hands: -0.81
    WTSD%: 19.82%
    W$@SD: 33.67%
    PFR: 12.41%
    First Actions after PFR:
    Raise: 5.52%
    Bet: 45.74%
    Call: 6.62%
    Check: 13.88%
    Check/Raise: 0.32%
    Fold: 4.73%
    No Flop/No Action: 23.19%
    PFAggr: 0.85
    FlAggr: 3.28
    TurnAgg: 4.37
    RivAgg: 7.91
    TotAgg: 1.89 (Includeds PreFlop)
    TotAgg: 4.05 (w/o PreFlop)

    I found a link and found some leaks of my own using PT. I wrote like 10 of them down and am planning to work on them. I'll be reading them each day before I jump online and play.

    I posted a goals earlier the last week of Feb. and obviuosly I wont meet them at all. So..... I set myself to 3 new more realistic goals:

    1. I ordered today David Sklansky's Theory of Poker & Hold'em Poker For Advanced Players from Amazon and should be getting them in within two weeks. I will read both by the end of May to help my game out.

    2. Play 7k hands more at the same level and maybe try playing about 1k-2k of those hands on 6-max tables (same level). I want by May 31st to have 12k hands in my PT database. Also, unti I can get my BR up to $100, I wont play more then 1 table at a full $5NL buy-in.

    3. My BB/100 Hands is over a +10.

    Side Goal: Stop playing SnGs and Tourneys till I have a profit on my true books (I'm down like $150 right now-mostly from SnGs). Maybe after reading the two books, play in a MTT with no more then 3 rebuys on a day off and 3 SnGs the last week of May.

    Comments and suggestions welcome.
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    your W$SD% is really low. you need to study your opps a little, and really learn to pick when they have you beat.

    Are you familiar with Set Farming? I think this is what your game needs at this level. Your VP$IP is not necessarly to high, it may not be the right cards.

    Would you prefer 55 or KJs in early pos? Which one would you possibly raise in LP with limpers?
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    You are far too aggressive on the river for someone who only wins 1/3 of pots! I agree, this is something that stands out to me as well, and may well be why you're in the red. It's not always a bad thing to check or call the river.

    The fact that you get more and more aggros as you move through the hand makes it look like you get too married to your cards. You aren't going to let anyone take your $$$ when you have a made hand, dammit, but unfrotunately sometimes they have better hands than you.

    So, look at when to fold as a priority. Cut KT and A9 out of your starting hands, don't feel that just because you raised pre-flop (that's a big PFR stat too - not necessarily bad but maybe your aggression isn't getting as much respect because of it?) you need to take it to the river.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacbmw
    your W$SD% is really low. you need to study your opps a little, and really learn to pick when they have you beat.
    That's one thing I realized myself as well. At first I was thinking I got TPTK/GK and next thing I know he flops 2 pairs or trips. That's why in my pre-flop, I raised my raise level a bit to ward off the more loose hands people will play and it seems to be working a little more. I was getting people call my PFR with hands that I would auto-fold in any position (like 86o) and then hit the str8. Also, I'm trying to understand calling stations more and study them to know when I am beat.

    Quote Originally Posted by jacbmw
    Are you familiar with Set Farming? I think this is what your game needs at this level. Your VP$IP is not necessarly to high, it may not be the right cards.
    Never heard of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jacbmw
    Would you prefer 55 or KJs in early pos? Which one would you possibly raise in LP with limpers?
    Well, something like 55 I'll play only in a mid-later postion only and limp in just for the set value, but only PFR it if I'm on the button and no limps in behind me to try to steal the blinds. It actually ranks nearly tied with 77 with me. KJs I was PFRaising across the board. It plays me like it were a QJo and wins me like 1/2 of the flops I see with it. It's one hand I think I need to tighten up on UTG and maybe limp in instead depending on the table I am at.

    Thanks for the comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biondino
    You are far too aggressive on the river for someone who only wins 1/3 of pots! I agree, this is something that stands out to me as well, and may well be why you're in the red. It's not always a bad thing to check or call the river.

    The fact that you get more and more aggros as you move through the hand makes it look like you get too married to your cards. You aren't going to let anyone take your $$$ when you have a made hand, dammit, but unfrotunately sometimes they have better hands than you.
    That was the very first thing I realized this past weekend as well. This is where I was losing big and not getting callers when I did have the best hand. Glad you noticed as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by biondino
    So, look at when to fold as a priority. Cut KT and A9 out of your starting hands, don't feel that just because you raised pre-flop (that's a big PFR stat too - not necessarily bad but maybe your aggression isn't getting as much respect because of it?) you need to take it to the river.
    Thanks. I looked just now and saw KT does well for me, but A9 is deffinetly a hand I need to work on more. Thanks for the comment though.

    Here's a example recenly where I had to fold AA on the river. The only thing I could put Villian on was maybe a 76 or 65 suited (in clubs maybe), or he was slow playing me with 88/77. I did see him call a PFR raise with 66 that someone else won with the top two pairs and he called all the way to the river. I had to fold after my pot size river bet to his check raise only to know I was beat by something better then my pocket aces. I also didn't bet enough on the turn to void a str8 draw. He was a loose-neutral type who called any "standard" PFR with PP and had a VP$IP above 50%.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP1 ($1.06)
    Hero ($3.97)
    CO ($2.94)
    Button ($1.14)
    SB ($1.80)
    BB ($0.84)
    UTG ($5)
    UTG+1 (Villian) ($5.47)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, A. UTG posts a blind of $0.02.
    UTG (poster) checks, Villian calls $0.02, MP1 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.12, 4 folds, UTG folds, Villian calls $0.10, MP1 folds.

    Flop: ($0.31) 8, 7, 4 (2 players)
    Villian checks, Hero bets $0.12, Villian calls $0.12.

    Turn: ($0.55) 3 (2 players)
    Villian checks, Hero bets $0.22, Villian calls $0.22.

    River: ($0.99) 5 (2 players)
    Villian checks, Hero bets $1, Villian raises to $5.01, Hero folds.

    Final Pot: $7
  6. #6
    Set Farming: is the bread and butter money earner at these lower limits. you play these small pp for set value. This set value can't be undervalued.

    The reason why it is so lucrative is because the hand is relatively well hidden. ie. u limp, and it is raise to 5X bb by lp. u call. U hit set on flop and bet out hard (2/3 pot). He thinks yippie, overpair, raise AI. you go yippie, call. thanks for coming.

    This is probably the most common way to destack at the lower limits. Bread and butter. Do some reading on here about what size pre-flop raise you can be justified calling, in what position etc.

    I hate KJs, i barely dont play it in position. Definately not to any sign of strength (This is at 6-max). It is a classic example of reverse imlied odds. Where you either win a small pot, or lose a big on (out kickered).

    Have a think about your starting hands, which ones play well, and how you can extract the most value from each hand.
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