4nl Q9s in BB vs. 2(short) unknowns

This was after my first orbirt. all I have on BU is he limp/called oop' and c/f a flop.

SB sat in after me.....

Just curious what you guys think a good line is here multi-way when they're both so short...
w/ no reads i'm hesitant about iso'ing here QTs I am probably

flat ? try keep them both in?



Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $4.00
UTG: $3.88
BTN: $1.02
SB: $1.68

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has 9 Q

fold, BTN calls $0.04, SB calls $0.02, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.12, 3 players) A 3 J
SB bets $0.08,

Yo what happened w/ the BC? everyone on vacation???

It's hard dude. Nobody knows the best thing to do, I prolly just call.

i like checking pre due to stack sizes but this is a good hand to attack weak limping ranges with if we have some postflop maneuverability within the effective stacks. as played probably just call. cant see much merit in semi-bluff raising as think villain has a hand he doesn't want to fold. and without any overcards or gutters we are probably only 35%ish against that range (i'm assuming it's top pair minimum and almost never worse draws)

Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

...w/ no reads

You have reads. (Enter the semantic debate.)

Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

all I have on BU is he limp/called oop' and c/f a flop

Also you know how much was the SB villain's BI.

What I can tell from this hand alone:
The BTN is a passive donk who limped the BTN.
The SB is a passive donk who limped the SB.

Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

Just curious what you guys think a good line is here multi-way when they're both so short...

flat ? try keep them both in?

Exactly. Draw cheap, and keep multiple villains involved for maximum implied odds.
Everything RPM said.

Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

Yo what happened w/ the BC? everyone on vacation???

It was all bikes all along.

Originally Posted by kickass

It's hard dude. Nobody knows the best thing to do, I prolly just call.

Why would Hero fold the 2nd NFD on the flop? What info would lead to this?
Why would Hero raise this flop when it seems that SB has at least a piece of it and Hero is likely behind?

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

It was all bikes all along.

What did bikes quit the BC....... I missed something

Originally Posted by WeldPhaser

What did bikes quit the BC....... I missed something

readallabaahtit!

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2111550

I would raise this pre-flop unless I have a really LAGgy image. Then I still might raise it pre-flop.

As played I'd probably flat because we're pretty much drawing to the nuts and this isn't Omaha. But there is nothing in the pot and I don't hate a "tell no one what you had" fold.

Meh, folding flop is probably the most correct thing to do. Expressed odds blah, blah, blah.

If we're calling we might as well be raising and getting his stack in, + we can take advantage of what little FE we do have. I think clicking it back couldn't be the worst choice.

why do you think clicking it back is a good play supa?

Originally Posted by rpm

why do you think clicking it back is a good play supa?

I dunno man. Seems like we can take advantage of any FE we do have which really might be none. But if we are gonna raise then a CiB gives us better pot odds to see the turn and if they both come along we can almost count on both of them getting stacks in which, I think, we have enough equity for.

Really I just think calling sucks but folding seems way too nitty and if we're gonna gambol we should give our self the best price.

Probably calling here as I don't think BTN will raise that much if he's limping a wide range. We also avoid a 3bet by the SB which sucks and sometimes get the BTN to call with a worse flush draw.