4nl AJ in mp . A-high dry flop..

Villain is 28/6/2 call pfr in blinds=22% donkfl= 38%(3/8) over 114
Have a note that he's donked w/ TPGK. and called raise from blinds w/ Q9s,KJo,77,
generally bad passive.
BB is unknown, UTG is 18/5/0 weak-tight

OTF: i'm not thrilled about his donk here, and 4- way , makes me think his range is constrained to: 33,55,Ax, and possibly KcXc down to JcTc..

Before i go any further here what do you guys think of this donking range? I'm not sure how many worse A's he's doing this with.....



Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $4.64
Hero (MP): $4.00
CO: $22.20
BTN: $7.57
SB: $5.78
BB: $1.73

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has J A

UTG calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.16, fold, fold, SB calls $0.14, BB calls $0.12, UTG calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.64, 4 players) 5 A 3
SB bets $0.43

edit = suppose the flop isnt dry .... damp i guess

A6-AQ KcQc KcJc A5 A3 55 33 and more is possible 67 spazz with other pp's that aren't sets. Call.

Assuming BB and UTG folded (??), I'm not folding to this villain on the flop given reads and how often he donks, irrespective of the pot being multiway and donking into 3 players - dude is clearly a fish with no idea. I'm not getting 100bb in however unimproved as we don't need to get involved in marginal situations with this guy.

yeah, i wasn't thinking bout a huge hand unimproved, and now were improved....lol

obv not folding , but are we calling/raising???


Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $4.64
Hero (MP): $4.00
CO: $22.20
BTN: $7.57
SB: $5.78
BB: $1.73

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has J A

UTG calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.16, fold, fold, SB calls $0.14, BB calls $0.12, UTG calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.64, 4 players) 5 A 3
SB bets $0.43, BB calls $0.43, fold, Hero calls $0.43

Turn: ($1.93, 3 players) J
[color=red]SB bets $1.93

Why do you remove bb + utg's actions? In your first post, we don't realise bb calls flop and utg folds until you update the hand in the post above. In the first post, you're asking for advice, but no-one can know if the pot is $1.07, $1.50 or $1.93, because you're removing information that is relevant to the decision you have.

Everything up to the point of decision please.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Everything up to the point of decision please.

ur right, Ongie, but to be fair OP was only asking for opinions on SB's donking range

his likely donking range here is pretty nutted vs AJ
A3/A5/AJ+/33/55/35/67cc/42s/etc
fold flop
especially once the bb calls.

thing is, you turn pretty much the best card you could hope for and you still don't want to get money in. Suggests that your flop call was marginal.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Why do you remove bb + utg's actions? In your first post, we don't realise bb calls flop and utg folds until you update the hand in the post above. In the first post, you're asking for advice, but no-one can know if the pot is $1.07, $1.50 or $1.93, because you're removing information that is relevant to the decision you have.

Everything up to the point of decision please.

your surely right ong, i was in a bit of a hurry , had to get out the door, but lets not get to sideways because of it. bb folds to turn bet here

what do you make on the turn? yes when playing i was really starting to think when he pot donks the turn maybe his range pretty defined, but IDK, darn donks donking,,,,

on turn call again, and then call any river bet or if he checks make a value bet. (this is considering no clubs come)

what do you make on the turn?

I think he's donking flop with any top pair, sets and flush draws, and 42s if he has it. I'm calling since I think he's wide enough to have any Ax hand. Turn is a big bet and has me leaning sets and maybe aces up. I think turn is a really tough spot. Can't even say I do the same thing in the same spot twice. I could fold or call this. If I call turn, I'm stacking river.

Sorry if I come across sideways. I have a strange internet manner. But pot size is pretty crucial to decision making, so it's vital information imo.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I think he's donking flop with any top pair, sets and flush draws, and 42s if he has it. I'm calling since I think he's wide enough to have any Ax hand. Turn is a big bet and has me leaning sets and maybe aces up. I think turn is a really tough spot. Can't even say I do the same thing in the same spot twice. I could fold or call this. If I call turn, I'm stacking river.

Sorry if I come across sideways. I have a strange internet manner. But pot size is pretty crucial to decision making, so it's vital information imo.

No apology needed ong. Since my first post you have given good constructive criticisms, and that i appreciate.

I guess it all boils down to how many worse A's he does this w/ huh?

his sizing OTT could be a tell. I mean its still multi-way ,and he bumps it up to fp.... he may be trying to squeeze all the value he can out of his donks..

I think he's donking any flush draw, any set and any ace like above said. I would have raise/folded the flop tbh

ok raise/fold the flop. can you tell me why xpt?

I'm def not saying i disagree, but raise /folding seems like we just turn into a bluff. trying to exploit his donking tendency?