Hi Biondino,

you're both right and wrong.

Quote Originally Posted by biondino
Okay, I think you're in danger of furthering your misunderstanding here.
No, I'm fine. I exaggerated by saying it's the biggest mistake but seeing 2 suited cards, say Q9 or A10, pull noobies in as they believe they are stronger than they really are. And the point that Gordon was making is that having suited cards, pre flop, is negligible. So if you'd chuck Q9 and A10 os then don't get all in a bother just because they're suited

Quote Originally Posted by Thunder
I understand what Chopper says about having straight and flush opportunities just that, even this being the case, there really isn't much difference between being suited and unsuited. In fact, just a few percent.

No, I don't think you do understand!
Again, I do. I was talking about pre flop only. Eg: 78 suited vs 78 os.



This is pretty straightforward - he means each suit has a roughly 12% chance of appearing twice on the flop, so there is a c. 50% chance of a suit OTHER than the one you're holding appearing twice and only a 12% chance of your suit appearing.
Now I am confused! If there is a 67% chance that the flop will contain 2 suits, what is the 12% you mention? And be it 12% or 67% why the mentioning of the three times it's two suited but misses hero's holding? And I'm lost on the remaining figures of 48.6% and 11.8%.

As for seldom having the odds to flop a gutshot, I agree. I misread the sentence and thought the straight had been made. Even with the word "gutshot". I know. Stop tutting.