Would you agree with this statement?
'To keep it simple at micro stakes and HU you should never call a 3-bet oop.'
03-05-2011 06:12 PM
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3-Bet pots oopWould you agree with this statement? | |
Last edited by HarleyGuy13; 03-05-2011 at 06:16 PM. | |
03-05-2011 06:14 PM
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def not never but i will say that i am a big loser flatting 3bets oop throughout my poker career | |
03-05-2011 08:20 PM
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03-06-2011 12:43 AM
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03-06-2011 10:54 PM
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It is perfectly reasonable to make a blanket statement like this when you are first learning to tighten up the leaks in your game (as i know you are Harley). Just don't get carried away and become superhuge nit that loses because you never play a pot. | |
03-06-2011 11:40 PM
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FYI I wasn't making a statement I was asking for opinions on something I read. | |
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03-06-2011 11:49 PM
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At 2nl and 5nl I think this is a fine rule. It's gonna save the average nano stakes player from getting into tough spots that are gonna cost alot of money due to a lack of good postflop skills. The big exception is calling min 3bets to setmine as daviddem said. | |
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03-07-2011 02:11 AM
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i am still playing micros. i was a nit in calling 3bet OOP. lately i have been calling TT-QQ,AK, in general and sometimes lower PP depending on villain reads and implied odds i get, i call 22-99 only if i get at least 14:1 implied odds pre flop and ussually is to get a set, very rare trying do some bluff depending on board texture.. for me KK+ its always a 4bet shove and/or 4 bet and call a 5bet shove from villain. | |
03-07-2011 10:50 AM
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While I think there is definitely some credit to this, it's not quite so clear when we get 3bet when we hold JJ or AK (sometimes QQ too). I don't like 4betting these hands, yet folding them to a 3bet is way too nitty at micros. Reads on villain is crucial in these spots, if we know he only 3bets tight then maybe we can fold JJ and AK, but if we think he can have like A4s or 89s etc in his range, then calling seems optimal. | |
03-07-2011 11:06 AM
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Supa, fwiw, I'm at 50nl atm and I still rarely flat 3bets OOP. You put yourself in so many spots postflop where you don't know where you're at and it can really fuck with your winrate if you try to playmaster everyone. | |
03-07-2011 12:37 PM
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03-07-2011 01:13 PM
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A blanket statement like that is a great way to teach someone bad habits and to spew money. Like everyone else wrote, there are times to flat a 3bet oop, but it really depends more upon your reads on the villain than it does anything else. The rule might be something that a super-multi-tabling monster might follow to keep himself out of trouble but most of us probably shouldn't blindly follow a statement like that. | |
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03-07-2011 02:43 PM
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"Never Flat 3bets OOP" is fine as a general rule. I don't think anyone is advocating it as a blanket statement. There's always going to be an exception to any rule anyway. If you can find one in this case, fine. Otherwise, get it in or fold. |
Last edited by StarGrinder; 03-07-2011 at 02:48 PM. | |
03-07-2011 04:20 PM
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Oh my God, you're so smart and witty, please teach me to own forum threads like you do!!!!1 | |
03-07-2011 04:23 PM
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I'm aware of this, but its still a blanket statement (you said you read it somewhere after all :P). | |
03-07-2011 04:30 PM
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03-07-2011 05:52 PM
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phrased that incorrectly, i meant we have AA |
03-07-2011 07:20 PM
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Last edited by HarleyGuy13; 03-07-2011 at 07:22 PM. | |
03-07-2011 08:14 PM
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there are plenty of times as you move up when you should flat the 3b oop as a default but at the micros probably just 4bing or folding is fine. | |
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