2NL 6max - KQs in the SB vs UTG+1 TAGG

opp is 19/19/4AF/83%cbet over 25 hands

Guess pre could be a fold here OOP? BB is passive and 0%3b so I am not worried about a squeeze here. His range 66+,A8s+,KJs+,QJs,KQo,AT+

Flop could also be a fold but I got a hunch from his timing and bet sizing so I decided to call, with a plan to check most turns and fold if he fired again. (Mind that this site has a 1/2 pot and 3/4 pot button, so he had to enter his 2/3 bet manually). I think he probably does not cbet his hands that have potential (seen him check a flop where he was PFR with two overs and a gutshot), so he would maybe not cbet KQ,KJ and FD's.

Turn comes the Q and I hesitated to bet out, then hesitated to raise his small barrel. Decided against because if this is indeed weakness, I would most likely not get value when I raise, and if it is a suck in bet, then I am crushed.

The Tc on the river is probably the worst card in the deck. c/f standard?

$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
iPoker
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($4.28)
UTG+1 ($4.64)
CO ($4.02)
BTN ($4.52)
Hero ($2.22)
BB ($1.18)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 6 players) Hero is SB
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.08, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.07, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.18, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.12, Hero calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.42, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

River: ($0.78, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.58

I think folding to the biggish river bet with a 4-str8 and 3-flush on board is fine. However, I like raising the turn. There's alot of draws and worse made hands that will call. Plus, it can sometimes buy you a free showdown on bad rivers like here. Also, I don't like calling the drawy flop with 2nd pair, there's alot of reverse implied odds, bluff raise or fold, preferably fold.

So, as played, i would
fold flop
raise turn
fold river

On the turn, i dont mind betting out as I think a lot of draws and Ax hands are going to check behind for pot control, like A10 and lower which are going to call a turn bet but might not bet themselves, also with two flush draws out there which are in his range, as he just made a standard cbet which doesnt really remove any of his pre-flop range.

pre is close, fold if you're planning to spew on ace high flops-no draw. Turn as played is ok, but why isn't leading or c-shoving better? river is bet-fold tiny block or check-fold.

yea i agree with daven about pre being close, in FR vs a utg1 open im most likely folding....i do not mind peeling a street on the flop, id def c/s turn like daven said, unless you look at his turn cbet stat and its low then i'd just go ahead and lead.....probably c/f river imo

ok, yeah should defo have shoved the turn

Originally Posted by daviddem

ok, yeah should defo have shoved the turn

what worse is an UTG+1 TAG calling you with here if you do shove?

am i the only one folding pre vs an UTG+1 opener....?

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

am i the only one folding pre vs an UTG+1 opener....?

nope

Originally Posted by daven

pre is close, fold if you're planning to spew on ace high flops-no draw.

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

yea i agree with daven about pre being close, in FR vs a utg1 open im most likely folding....i

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It's true he doesn't have that many strong draws in his range, but he has a bunch of top pair + gutshot or second/third pair + flush draw and I should at least charge them something for a card. If he doesn't peel to a raise, I am not too worried because there are tons of bad river cards out there (not always actual outs to him but at least potential bluffing outs), like any J, any T, any club. Plus I am OOP.

Leading is certainly also an option because I think he checks behind with a good part of his range here.

Finally, yes, fold pre is fine here as was said before, especially if I am going to start to spew more chips with second pair and no draws. I called because I thought that he was looking too aggro post-flop and I could possibly exploit that. But it's much better to do that in position though, not from the blinds.

David, why are you still playing $2nl? You're a thinker, you should've killed this level ages ago. I respect your posts more than most, it just surprises me you aren't at $10nl at least.

Originally Posted by couriermike

So, as played, i would
fold flop
raise turn
fold river

This.

Fold preflop.

I'd flat turn if it was a bigger bet but raise it now. Fold river.

i fold pre barring some read that he's opening KTs+ UTG or something.
flop i guess we can check/call assuming he shuts down with all worse hands on the turn
turn i want to lead because the board's wet and he can check behind worse hands that he calls a bet with if we check it
river i guess i C/F.

to those who want to lead this turn, are you doing so with the intention of b/f?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

David, why are you still playing $2nl? You're a thinker, you should've killed this level ages ago. I respect your posts more than most, it just surprises me you aren't at $10nl at least.

I play 5NL FR on FTP and started 2NL 6max on iPoker 3 months ago. I only deposited $50 on each site and my intention is to never deposit again. I still have $25 to go before I clear 2NL 6max on iPoker and can move up.

My main problem is volume (for example I only played 7.5k hands over the 3 months I've been on iPoker). I think I only have 40k lifetime hands (excluding donkaments and SNG). I just don't have enough time between my work, family and other hobbies. I also have the problem that I quit pretty fast when I loose, and I take too much time to start playing again. I am working on this and will try to get into some kind of routine of playing small sessions most days.

Originally Posted by nitcracker

to those who want to lead this turn, are you doing so with the intention of b/f?

I think if we lead it has to be a b/f because of all the AK,AQ,AA,KK,QQ, flushes in his raising range (although these are pretty well blocked). Don't think he has the balls to (semi-)bluff raise or raise a naked pair on this board.

i think the turn is a great spot to bet/fold. our hand is probably the bottom of his turn raising range, but he probably flats a lot of hands we beat like single pairs/draws etc