25NL, set on flush river multi-way

BTN is 18/0/1 over 12 hands. Basically no reads in a limped pot.

What's best on the river? b/f? c/f? c/c?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($29.75)
UTG ($56.35)
Hero (MP) ($56.77)
CO ($47.40)
Button ($32.50)
SB ($24.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 2, 2
UTG calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB checks

Flop: ($1.10) 2, Q, 3 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1, Button calls $1, BB calls $1, 1 fold

Turn: ($4.10) 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.25, Button calls $3.25, BB calls $3.25

River: ($13.85) 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $5, 1 fold, Hero ?

fold pre is ok, calling is too. Flop sizing is fine, turn bet $4, river bet-fold $5 or c-call/fold depending on sizing. Here is a call cos of better than 3:1 and Q9/53/AQ

any reads on BB?

Definitely bet the river/fold to a shove. River is a call fwiw.

PS - I hate deuces.

Raise pre with those stacks. Bet more on the turn and b/f river.

Is it bad to attempt to price draws out on the turn in situations like this? like betting 1.5x to 2x? Or is it more profitable (SOP) to value bet as shown and just suck it up when the flush comes in on the river?

It just seems that the flop didn't come in a way in which a set should be played for 3 streets? 4 people limped to the flop. If I say take the money and run on the turn, does that make me a nit?

Originally Posted by manfredi

Is it bad to attempt to price draws out on the turn in situations like this? like betting 1.5x to 2x? Or is it more profitable (SOP) to value bet as shown and just suck it up when the flush comes in on the river?

It just seems that the flop didn't come in a way in which a set should be played for 3 streets? 4 people limped to the flop. If I say take the money and run on the turn, does that make me a nit?

You may already be beat on the turn (A4, 64)

This being said, I'd pot the turn, but not overbet it.

Originally Posted by daviddem

You may already be beat on the turn (A4, 64)

This being said, I'd pot the turn, but not overbet it.

What if it was just a possible flushdraw, not FD/SD? Still 3-way.

There are still hands out there that beat you like better sets. Why would you want to price out the flush draw at the risk of betting 2x pot into a better made hand?

Get value from the draws and worse made hands without committing yourself vs better hands imo.

Originally Posted by daviddem

There are still hands out there that beat you like better sets. Why would you want to price out the flush draw at the risk of betting 2x pot into a better made hand?

Get value from the draws and worse made hands without committing yourself vs better hands imo.

I guess missed draws are folding the river so you've gotta get max value on the turn bet... You say that is pot? That sounds right.

It depends on the player I occasionally over bet the pot vs certain drawing players. But I don't do this to get them out I want them in! So you should bet the most they are willing to call.

I occasionally over bet the pot vs certain drawing players. But I don't do this to get them out I want them in!

That's true because if they chase a draw to the wrong odds then you'll profit against him in the long run even if he sucks out occasionally. I wouldn't do it here, though.

Here it's a limped pot and no reads of any relevance on the villains other than they seem to like their hands. The flush completed on the river, straight on the turn and we're sitting on bottom set.

It looks good up to the river, there are a lot of combos that we do beat, so I'd bet about 2/3 pot, fold to a shove...the call to a raise depends on sizing.

As played, fold on river....you've said that you're worried about the flush, he's saying he completed the flush and you have no reason to doubt him.

This looks like a hand where you didnt plan how you were going to play specific cards.

ISFs old post about how small stakes players biggest leak is not b/f'ing seems to work here.

Obviously preflop id raise or fold here never limp - but each other street is fine - except that on the river id either be b/f'ing (fav choice) or c/f'ing.
I would only check to induce a bluff if i felt my opponent could do that - but this is 25nl so everyone is fairly honest - hence the river decision should be a trivial call or fold if you had planned how to play a flushy river.

As played id muck as price just begs you to call but would have b/f myself

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

ISFs old post about how small stakes players biggest leak is not b/f'ing seems to work here.

Is this the post that you mentioned?

Originally Posted by Shotglass

Is this the post that you mentioned?

Yes and it's still EXTREMELY important. Trust me; look for more spots to b/f and you'll see your winrate increase.

As played, I'm not folding the river. You're getting almost 4:1. Do we really think 80% of villain's betting range in a spot like that is flushes and straights?