25nl a poorly played JJ bvb

Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

c/c doesn't necissarily commit you to the pot and if he is firing a large % of the time I don't see why it isn't a profitable play as a bluff catcher.

I didn't think I could call a turn bet and a river bet assuming he fires again, even if the river is a blank.


Also donkfish, I was not expecting him to peel too light in a 3 bet pot.

Originally Posted by cleanup.that

I didn't think I could call a turn bet and a river bet assuming he fires again, even if the river is a blank.


Also donkfish, I was not expecting him to peel too light in a 3 bet pot.

If he's a reg i think he would peel like 100% of his range on that flop IP lol (Cbet was for value amirite?). Anyway do you have any sizing tells on him?

What range are you putting him on. How are you doing vs that range? If he has AJ+ or a worse pair, what is the best way to extract value..

As played, his call on the flop is confusing.. its likely he would raise QQ/KK. Thus it has to be 22-99, AA/AJ/+ right? I think a donk/call then check/shove is fine (not my favorite play) or a check/call check/shove. If he has a better overpair, so be it. I am not one to lay down an overpair in BvB situations unless its against a nit. My main point here is that you have to give him a chance to put money in with the worst hands.. leading out folds a lot of worse hands that would definitely c-bet.

Originally Posted by Outlaw

What range are you putting him on. How are you doing vs that range? If he has AJ+ or a worse pair, what is the best way to extract value..

As played, his call on the flop is confusing.. its likely he would raise QQ/KK. Thus it has to be 22-99, AA/AJ/+ right? I think a donk/call then check/shove is fine (not my favorite play) or a check/call check/shove. If he has a better overpair, so be it. I am not one to lay down an overpair in BvB situations unless its against a nit. My main point here is that you have to give him a chance to put money in with the worst hands.. leading out folds a lot of worse hands that would definitely c-bet.

Is he stacking off with worse on a river blank? check/shoving river seems a bit spewy because he isn't really stacking off with worse.

Originally Posted by Outlaw

What range are you putting him on. How are you doing vs that range? If he has AJ+ or a worse pair, what is the best way to extract value..

As played, his call on the flop is confusing.. its likely he would raise QQ/KK. Thus it has to be 22-99, AA/AJ/+ right? I think a donk/call then check/shove is fine (not my favorite play) or a check/call check/shove. If he has a better overpair, so be it. I am not one to lay down an overpair in BvB situations unless its against a nit. My main point here is that you have to give him a chance to put money in with the worst hands.. leading out folds a lot of worse hands that would definitely c-bet.

I agree that I need to give him a chance to put money in with worse hands. I didn't really think this through, this is one of those spots that I'm never quite sure what to do. I'm starting to think that maybe it is just better to avoid these marginal spots altogether.